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Topic: BATDIV ONE and Task Force Two, What if BatDiv One went with Enterprise?< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
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Gentlemen,

I just remembered something from the movie "TORA, TORA, TORA".

Before the attack on Pearl, Admiral Kimmel asks Admiral Halsey if he wanted to take his battleships along for the mission to Wake Island.  Halsey said no because they were too slow.

Now I read Kimmel's Letter of 31 October 1941 detailing the Task Forces Organizations and Missions for the Fleet.  In it, BAT DIV ONE (ARIZONA, NEVADA & OKLAHOMA) was assigned to Task Force TWO, which was Aircraft, Battle Force under Halsey.

My question is this:  did this conversatoin between Kimmel and Halsey take place and if it did, could it have been possible for BATDIV ONE to be with the Enterprise Group and be out of Pearl during the attack.  Since the Japanese did not know where the carriers were, it would have been a good bet that these ships would have been spared.

But then the Japanese planes that did attack BATDIV ONE would have been left to attack other ships.

Your thoughts?

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This conversation apparently did take place.  Prange describes it in "At Dawn We Slept," page 401.  He cites as his sources "Admiral Halsey's Story" and several interviews.
 
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Agreed.  Halsey hated the idea of playing "nurse maid" to a bunch of slow battleships that would slow his Wake Island Task force down to less than 20 knots at a time when speed was of the essence.
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Admiral Newton's Lexington Task Force was detailed to deliver Marine Dive Bombers to Midway Island at about the same time and he didn't take any Battleships with him either.
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Also, Newton was not informed of the Navy Department  "war warning" message

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I just read that the Oklahoma was detailed to accompany Halsey's Task Force.  I recall reading that the Oklahoma could barely make 20 knots with her ancient engines.  All the more reason for Halsey to keep the battleships in Pearl Harbor.
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If the American ships that were returning to Pearl Harbor from the resupply mission to Midway and Wake were spotted by the Japanese and if the Japanese were in a position to launch any battle ready planes, any American ship sunk would have been lost in 12,000 foot deep water. The Battleships were better left in the harbor.

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Had the Oklahoma, Nevada and Arizona accompanied Halsey's Task Force to deliver Wildcat fighter planes to Wake Island, their comparitively slow speed would have put them much further away from Pearl Harbor on 7 December and far beyond the range any possible Japanese Naval air attacks.  Afterall, a navy task force procedes at the speed of its slowest ship.
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