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Just purchased Dan Van Der Vat's book "Pearl Harbor - Day of Infamy - An Illistrated History", and I was pleased to find a fuzzy photo on page 118 of the two TBD-1 torpedo bombers. One of the aircraft has no marking on while the other has the plane in squadron numbers on its side.  Can any one tell me if these aircraft were from VT-2 or VT-6 and what happened to these aircraft later in the war?
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Did some Googling for you. Keep in mind I have no idea what the sources of many of these documents are so take it with a grain of salt.

This page lists aircraft based in Hawaii December 7th and mentions no TBD at Ford Island or anywhere else. However, it fails to mention any OS2U Kingfishers or SOC-3 Seagulls so draw your own conclusions. I think the two TBD's you're talking about are in this picture, but as I don't have that book myself I can't comment.

TBD's did not last long in WWII but they did do some significant damage before being retired.

VT-2 helped sink the IJN carrier Shoho in the battle of Coral Sea, which was the first IJN carrier lost in WWII. The Navy has posted images of the attack on Shoho here and here (note torpedo splash). However, USS Lexington, which VT-2 was attached to, was also sunk in this battle, taking VT-2's Devastators with to to the sea bottom.

VT-6 lost two TBD's in February of 1942 in a mid-air collision. They were taking part in a raid on Wake island (picture here).  Another was lost in late May when the Commanding Officer had an accident during landing (You can see a picture of his plane sinking here) while en-route to Midway. VT-6 fought at the battle of Midway, arriving after VT-8 was obliterated. They faired better, but only four of the 14 TBD's made it into position to drop and of these, only one made a successful drop. I do not know if the drop was a hit as dive bombers from Enterprise and Yorktown had already hit all three carriers. Only three of the aircraft made it back to Enterprise.  There is a picture of VT-6's TBD's assembling on the deck before leaving for this mission posted  here. The last combat action of the TBD was by the three remaining aircraft of VT-6 on June 6th when they were dispatched with a force of Dauntless SBD dive bombers to attack the IJN cruisers Mikuma and Mogami.

At the end of the Battle of Midway there were less than twenty TBD's left in service with the Navy. VT-3 from Yorktown had taken a beating in the battle and had lost their surviving aircraft in the sinking of Yorktown (some were pushed overboard before the ship sunk in an effort to lighten her). VT-5, previously attached to Yorktown, had taken a beating in the battle of Coral Sea and was replaced by VT-3. The last TBD was retired from Navy service in September of 1944.

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Hi, all

There were five TBD-1s at NAS Pearl Harbor during the attack. Two were assigned to NAS (BuNos 0289 and 0381) and three were assigned to VT-2. These three were left behind to make room for VMSB-231's SB2U-3s, which were being delivered to Midway by USS Lexington. This info is from Mr. Mark E. Horan, who has great knowledge on carrier aircraft and their assignments.

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This is getting more complecated all the time. Now I have an idea how David must feel in following the information trail. Thanks for the TBD-1 info.
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I have now had a chance to go through the links provided by Terry White, thanks again, and the photograph of NAS Ford Island that I mentioned was taked at ground level can also be found in the book "Attack on Pearl Harbor - A Pictorial History" by Stan Cohen, with one of the contribitors being David Atkin.  That said, the picture of the two TBDs can be found on page 39.  Does Mr Mark  E. Horan have a complete listing of the aircraft that were left behind by the Enterprise and the Lexington?  Again, thanks for the information.
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