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(FROM THE ARCHIVES OF THE USS ARIZONA & PEARL HARBOR MESSAGE BOARD - 6/18/00)

How many kamikazes sank the Arizona and was it the only ship loss at Pearl Harbour?

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(FROM THE ARCHIVES OF THE USS ARIZONA & PEARL HARBOR REMEMBERED MESSAGE BOARD - 6/19/00)

Greetings Randy,

The U.S.S. Arizona was struck by two high level bombs dropped from Japanese High Level bombers during the attack of 12/7/41.   Damage from these two bombs were as follows:

1 bomb landed on the number 4 gun turret and then caused a hole in the deck, started a small fire below deck which was quickly extinguished.

1 bomb landed on the right side and slightly forward of the number two gun turret.  This bomb crashed through the wooden deck and two armored decks landing in the area of the forward ammunition magazine.  The bomb started a fire which ignited the magazine causing the ship to sink to the bottom of Pearl Harbor in nine minutes and taking 1,102 members of her crew with her.

If you would like any further information do not hesitate to contact me either at this message board or at arizona_bb39@yahoo.com

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(FROM THE ARCHIVES OF THE USS ARIZONA & PEARL HARBOR REMEMBERED MESSAGE BOARD-6/19/00)

Greeting Randy:

Some further information regarding your original message.  The Arizona was not the only ship loss from the attack.  The U.S.S. Utah was also sunk and also remains as a memorial at Pearl Harbor.

The battleship Oklahoma was sunk raised and later sold for scrap.  While being towed back to California both the Oklahoma and the tug towing her were caught in a storm and the tug was forced to cut her loose.  She later sank and was never recovered.

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(FROM THE ARCHIVES OF THE USS ARIZONA & PEARL HARBOR REMEMBERED-6/19/00)

Aloha Randy,

Greatfully, there were NO "Kamikaze" aircraft until late October, 1944. "Kamikaze" is a term meaning "Divine Wind" which is from ancient Japanese history when a storm with huge winds blew over an invading Korean war fleet at the last moment.  In World War II a series of Japanese Army and Navy aviation units made up of volunteers crashed their planes into ships killing themselves in the process in hopes of sinking the Allied warships. The FIRST such suicide unit was named "Kamikaze" with each unit afterward having its own name.  The Allied Press captured the term "Kamikaze" from the Japanese radio for that initial attack and applied it to ALL further attacks of that kind.  At Pearl Harbor two planes are variously depicted or written about -incorrectly- as "Kamikaze" attacks:

(1) the crash of Zero pilot Fusata Iida was shown in the movie TORA TORA TORA as having crashed INTO a hangar.  However his crash was over a thousand yards from the hangars;

(2) the crash of a Japanese dive bomber into USS Curtiss.  While the result is the same the difference between "Kamikaze" and this USS Curtiss crash is the intent of the pilot.  This crash was by a VAL that was hit by AA fire in its dive on USS Tangier.  The plane then intentionally dived into USS Curtiss.  The crash into USS Curtiss was by a pilot who did not start out from his carrier to intentionally crash but -KNOWING he was going to crash- wanted to inflict a last hurt to the enemy.  

This was done in other operations by ALL countries:   in the Battle of Midway a US Navy pilot crashed into a Japanese warship that finally sank.  

Hope this helps your question and adds to Richard's most correct answers.

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Randy,

The term Kamikaze used during the Pacific War is an American Term.  The Japanese called their oneway mission attacks "Tokko-Tai" or Special/Great  Attack.  Tokko-tai did not become an official method of attack until the summer of 1944.

IMHO,  although poorly administered by Adm Ugaki, the Japanese Tokko-tai method was the most successful method of attack utilized by the Japanese.  In my estimation, only one of  every 40 Tokko-Tai planes got through to American ships/planes.  However, for everyone Tokko-tai plane that did get through about 45 American got killed.

As a rule all pilots, from all nations,  are expected to do their very best in combat.  If all options are exhausted and your life is about to end - take down as many  of the enemy as possible.  For a pilot this may mean to use your plane as a sword and  ram the enemy!

This mindset can still be found today within the ranks of our own USN  and USAF fighter jocks.  When out of missiles  and bullets "RAM" the enemy's bomber/missile!   Save your carrier/city at all cost!

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PostIcon Posted on: Apr. 10 2001,11:30 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

All,

The photos documenting the Type 99 Carrier Bomber crashing into Curtiss at 0905 (referred to earlier) are as follows (National Archives Neg #s where applicable):

111-SC-127048,  Type 99 in dive.  Taken NE of harbor.

80-G-33040,  Aircraft impact.  Taken NE of harbor.

80-G-266628,  Smoke mushrooms out from impact.  Original from Tangier's action report.

No Offical Number, Curtiss burns subsequent to the impact.  Medusa also apears at right.  Original from Tangier's action report.

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Randy,
To clarify the info on how many bombs struck the ARIZONA; there is still some debate as to the actual number.  It is generally accepted that one hit the forecastle deck and initiated the sequence that destroyed the ship.  Additionally, at least three other bombs hit ARIZONA, and possibly more.  There was a reported hit near Frame 85, port side, another near Frame 95, and another that struck the faceplate of turret 4 and penetrated the quarterdeck area.
There are some that believe that the ship was also hit by one torpedo, but underwater inspections in the 40's and again in the 80's could find no evidence of such.  The torpedo strike is a hot topic among ARIZONA survivors.
Additionally there is evidence of an explosion inside the ship on the starboard side at about Frame 75.  I know this because I've seen it personally.  This is directly inboard of the area where there is serious "delamination" of the side of the hull and I firmly believe that the two are tied together.

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Hi Brian,
In Paul Stillwell's BATTLESHIP ARIZONA [Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press; 1990], the research of John DeVirgilio and myself is cited. We suggest the total number of bomb hits, based on salvage reports, was as high as eight.

However, like your dives on that ship, John did a dive specifically to confirm our estimates by measuring all of the holes in the aft portion of the ship. All were exit holes (and too small) except one (an entry hole of the right diameter). Thus we pared our total to TWO hi-level bomb hits (one each from Kaga and Hiryu).

As to the torpedo hit...my investigation of the Japanese records and interviews of witnesses on BOTH sides, the final torpedo in the attack was immediately AFTER the hit on USS Nevada...and that final torpedo hit USS Oklahoma. In the KAGA aerial strike shot of the hits on the aft portion of USS Arizona, note that (1) USS Nevada has oil pouring from the ship, (2) a torpedo has just hit USS Oklahoma, (3) NO oil pours from USS Arizona.

Just as John and I said in Paul's book: in the high-level strike by five Hiryu KATEs, one miss caused a splash off the port bow of USS Arizona just a second or two before Arizona exploded...a splash that mimicked a torpedo water spike reported by USS Vestal.
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David,
As with the attempt to locate the entry hole in the foredeck, much evidence was destroyed in the ensuing blast and fire.  I wish that I could show you the evidence in that starboard side compartment, as I'm sure that you would agree with my claim.  I admit to not seeing any of the bomb entry holes aft of the "break", but most of that area is covered in debris and silt; especially in the area close to the break.  Heck, I got the job there as a VIP diver by telling Gary Cummins that their model of ARIZONA was incorrect structurally, and then I proved it.  They did not know about the overhang beneath the mainmast.
Anyway Sir, we simply must compare notes.

Thanks,

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I did not see any reference to who sank the Arizona, as in who was the Japanese pilot credited with dropping the Type 99 bomb that resulted in the explosion of the Arizona's magazine.   "The Way It Was-Pearl Harbor-The Original Photographs" credits bombardier Noboru Kanai of the Soryu with the hit that took out the Arizona.
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