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I recall reading that the USS Arizona was supposed to sortie and sail to the West Coast for a much needed refit and modernization on 10 December, 1941.  Besides the instalation of radar atop her foremast and the addition of 1.1" anti-aircraft gun batteries to her AAA suite, what other modernization was in store for her?

Were any of the other Battleships detailed to sail with her?


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I don't know much more than what you mentioned already plus the addition of gun fire directors for the 1.1" guns, but she had severe leaking in her hull interior spaces that had been uncovered during inspection. I haven't seen the documents myself that state that; but a fellow researcher came across documents to that affect while trying to research Arizona's last paint color(s). There would have been lots of general work to be done in addition to any upgrades.

Unfortunately the Navy ordered records pertaining to Arizona destroyed after she was stricken; I've been through the records of Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and the only records for Arizona they have left are officers Rosters.


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If my records are correct, the U.S.S. Pennsylvania (BB38) was also scheduled for a modernization around the same time.  I have a sketch of the Pennsylvania after her refit used to show what the Arizona would have looked like after her refit.

I will try to locate the sketch and post for your viewing.


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From part 26 of the Joint Commttee investigations there is an employment schedule (item No. 8) for the ships at Pearl by Task Force. BatDiv One is part of Task Force Two. The schedule is from 1 Oct. to Dec.31, 1941. Arizona was scheduled from 6 Dec. to 18 Dec. for tender overhaul (Vestal AR-4).
18-20 Dec. Fleet tactics.
21-26 Dec. Train and fire DBP, train NBP (No idea what that means as yet: EA)
27-31 (and beyond??) upkeep Pearl.

Would appreciate any info to the contrary or confirmation of above.

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If my records are correct, the U.S.S. Pennsylvania (BB38) was also scheduled for a modernization around the same time.  I have a sketch of the Pennsylvania after her refit used to show what the Arizona would have looked like after her refit.

I will try to locate the sketch and post for your viewing.

I've seen Navy Department pictures taken in early 1942 of the Pennsylvania after limited modernization measures were installed.  Although she was at dockside, somewhere on the west coast of the US, her forward starboard 1.1 battery was manned and elevated and a number of her 5" AA guns had been fitted with blast splinter shields.
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From part 26 of the Joint Commttee investigations there is an employment schedule (item No. 8) for the ships at Pearl by Task Force. BatDiv One is part of Task Force Two. The schedule is from 1 Oct. to Dec.31, 1941. Arizona was scheduled from 6 Dec. to 18 Dec. for tender overhaul (Vestal AR-4).
18-20 Dec. Fleet tactics.
21-26 Dec. Train and fire DBP, train NBP (No idea what that means as yet: EA)
27-31 (and beyond??) upkeep Pearl.

Would appreciate any info to the contrary or confirmation of above.

Ernie

Thanks Ernest for the information!  I'll see what I can dig up and find out about what the Arizona's post 7 December itinerary was supposed to be.
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Unfortunately the Navy ordered records pertaining to Arizona destroyed after she was stricken; I've been through the records of Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and the only records for Arizona they have left are officers Rosters.

I'm reposting my previous post, because I did not understand the procedures for quoting a previous message.  Sorry for the repeat

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I have to ask if this is just speculation on your part, or if there is some evidence of this.  There is no logical reason for the Navy to destroy documentation on Arizona.  There are plenty of references to her in the documents at NARA in Washington and College Park.  I'm not sure what records you were looking for at Puget Sound, as she had not done the planned late 1941-early 1942 refit, but there is a strong likelihood that the NARA BuShips and C&R files will have the yard departure reports and other documentation on any previous refits for Arizona.

I haven't looked at Arizona specifically but there is abundant documentation at College Park on the Battle Force in the months before Pearl Harbor, and the urgent efforts particularly of Admiral Anderson, ComBatShips, to modernize his force for war.  There are many references to Arizona and all of the other Pacific Fleet BBs in this.
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Yes, there is documentation, but no, I don't have it. Ron Smith of AA Military Research did a lot of digging at the archives at College Park when a small group of us was trying to determine Arizona's final paint scheme.

I don't recall the exact date, he found an order from but Nimitz to destroy, by burning, records for the Arizona, since she had been struck and was going to be left in place. He also found responses from the activities (shipyards, etc.) that had received that order that it had been complied with. One east coast shipyard, I believe Norfolk, replied that they were keeping a copy of Arizona's ORIGINAL booklet of general plans for historical reasons, but as far as the official paperwork states, all of that should be gone.

Ah.. just found some information for you, from Don Pruel, builder of the model of Arizona currently on display at the Arizona Visitor's Center. This is from a piece he wrote about the camouflage in the "Nautical Research Journal," Summer 2008 issue: "In March, 1943, Puget Sound Navy Yard filed a request with the Bureau of Ships to have the records of the ship destroyed. The endorsement to destroy the records was not granted until March 28, 1944.

Now, that's not to say that it is all gone. I know that one copy of her last Booklet of General Plans still exists in private hands and that many drawings for the Pennsylvania CLASS still exist at NARA.

There is speculation that Puget Sound Naval Shipyard is still holding on to some photographs, as one turned up in Stillwell's Arizona book accredited to the Shipyard, but from what I heard back channel the gentleman who gave a copy to Mr. Stillwell got in hot water for his actions, and the official response from the PAO is that everything has been turned over.

But there is NOTHING in the records of Seattle or College Park NARA about her last refit or her planned upgrades, unless misfiled by the Navy at some point and not yet stumbled upon by a researcher.

So, some records exist, but not as much as we would hope.


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Thanks for your response.  I don't know why they would make a special effort to destroy such records, as there is nothing obviously scandalous or sensitive about them, but apparently they did.  I will look around some at College Park.  There could also be something at the downtown D.C. archives, which hold the C & R files to 1940, and the BuOrd files to early 1942.

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Most people don't think of archiving and future generations... the paperwork took up space and the shipyard probably figured, "we're not going to work on her again, why keep the files?"

Government agencies are supposed to turn records over to NARA when they're finished with them, but there's also a "schedule" for retention and not all records are supposed to be turned over... some will be destroyed. I haven't seen the orders regarding what gets kept/tossed, but I've talked to a couple of archivists about it.


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