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Banner USS Arizona 1/350 comparison

Anyone ever built this model before? I heard it's got good details and its fairly easy to assemble.
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I have this kit waiting to be built.  The detailing looks OK, although I have certainly seen better.  There are several aftermarket sets available that can be used to spruce it up.  From the looks of it this kit should go together with few problems.  If you want to build a plastic model of the Arizona in a larger scale I would definitely choose this kit over the Revell kit.  They are very similar, but the Banner kit is larger and does have some improvements.

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Hello All,
The Banner kit is basically the Revell kit "upsized" to 1/350 scale.   Yes, it has a few differences but if you compare the two side-by-side, the majority of the parts are similar.   Along with the similarities is the incorrect structural detail, and a lack of correct details.   Even with the available "detail kits" out there, there is still alot of rebuilding to do to make the model "right" for any particular timeframe.
What it all boils down to is; If you were hoping to get a correct kit, right out of the box, sorry.   On the other hand; if you are a "kit basher" (as I am) and have the sheet styrene on hand and lots of time to do it right . . .   This ones for you.

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Okay, Modeling Maniacs, which are the best and the worst of the kits out there, as related to Pearl Harbor ships and planes?

Larry J

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Larry,
For modelers interested in Pearl Harbor related subjects I will split this into two parts.   The first is ships.   Excepting the large scale ( and expensive ) stuff, there are only a few models available.   Revell makes two kits of the ARIZONA, one in the odd scale of "about 1/430th" ( around 17 inches long, and the most common kit done); and a smaller one running at around 1/720th scale I think.   Both are okay for the general modeler who isn't really interested in detail, since they are both incorrect structurally and as supplied are a mixture of how the ship looked in the 1930's through the 40's.   To correct the kits to one specific time frame, say like "1936" or "December, 1941" takes a bit of effort and imagination.

Banner, has recently put out a 1/350 scale ( a good, common size ) kit that appears to have been based on the Revell kits rather than the truth.   Therefore, like the Revell kit, there is some work involved to make it "correct" to any specific timeframe.   Being of a slightly larger scale makes this task somewhat easier, but then again, will demand a better attention to detail.

Lindberg once distributed a small ARIZONA, around 1/750 or so, scale; but it wasn't really worth much, so I'll leave it at that.

As far as other ship go, there isn't much to find.   Revell used to market a 1/430 PENNSYLVANIA, but it was just the ARIZONA kit in a different box.   If anyone else has found kits, jump right on in here.

For aircraft, there are a number of manufacturers / distributers with both American and Japanese aircraft in 1/72 and 1/48 scale.   For kits of larger size, the pickings dwindle considerably, especially if you're looking for a specific version of the plane, such as an A6m2 "Zero" fighter vice a generic Zero, which usually gets you an A6m5 from much later in the war.

Now to try and answer the original question; what are the kits . . .   the answer is completely based upon what the modeler is looking for, and the level of his or her modeling experience.   I have seen kits of the ARIZONA built as supplied straight out of the box that were absolutely beautiful;  completely wrong, but none-the-less beautiful.
Personally I've built the larger Revell ARIZONA kit probably some ten or twelve times.   Each time with a bit more detail or a different version.   I've even built versions of "as sunk, circa 1980" and an "If she had survived Pearl".   That's the fun of modeling!!!

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PostIcon Posted on: Jan. 08 2002,8:59 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

::rubs hands with glee::

I love this topic :)
Save one kit, I have built every model of the Arizona that has been released (well, two, I haven't seen the Lindburg kit either) and I hope to fix that problem this coming weekend.

The banner kit is a good build but it is not what I would call accurate. That said, it's probably the best one you can buy without breaking the bank.

There have been seven kits of the Arizona in plastic and resin:
* 1/350th Tom's Modelworks BB39 1921
* 1/350th Commander/Tom's Modelworks BB39 1941
* 1/350th Banner BB39 1941
* 1/420th Revell BB39 1941(ish)
* 1/700th Banner BB39 1941(ish)
* 1/720th Revell BB39 1941(ish)
* 1/750th Lindburg(haven't seen it)

The top two are in resin and go gor about $225 each. Unbuilt. So I'm ignoring those for the purpose of the review; if you want to know more post a reply and I'll say more.

In my opinion the Banner 1/350th kit is your best option.
As Brian said, the Banner 1/350th is basically an up-scalled Revell kit. The hull shape is more accurate and some of the details are better, but the parts breakdown is the same and detail is not much improved. If you'd like a mostly complete review of the inaccuracies of the kit I had an article published at Internet Modeler a couple months ago HERE. Another modeler finished his without much correcting work and posted a review on the same site HERE.

Not covered in my review are the detail sets now available for the kit. Gold Medal Models has an excellent photo-etched detail set (review HERE) for the kit. Tom's Modelworks has three sets, a railing set, launch detail set, and turret set. Reviews of the first two are posted by other writers Here and Here. I have all three. The photo-etch isn't as good as the gold medal models set in appearance but between the two sets you wind up with more parts; the launches aren't even covered by Goldmedal models except some rudders. Another nice thing about the Tom's railing is that he throws in some extra resin details for the boat deck such as hatches, lockers, and the overhead sunlights (sorry Brian but I don't know the correct term for these). Mine came with little airbubbles in it though, which destroyed some of the detail. I would recommend getting all of them (although the turrets are iffy-resin casting quality is poor and details are omitted) but doing so adds about $95 to the cost of the kit. If you do want an accurate, detailed representation it will be a necessity however.

Keep in mind that these photo etched parts are for more advanced builders; working with it is a little bit like trying to glue a wet noodle along a knife edge.

Some other items that I didn't mention in my review that are omitted on the kit:
-The trash Incinerator mounted just aft and port of the funnel
-the RDF shack on the emergency cabin platform level
-the center area just aft of the drop down to the quarterdeck (rear) is molded wrong, there was an overhang and platform instead of the straight bulkheads down. I haven't seen a single manufacturer get this right. It's very hard to describe this area.
-the upper and lower hull are not separated at waterline even though the lower hull is already a hull red-ish color. The hull is split at that point due to the molding process and the curve of the hull. Be aware that if you try and do the banner kit "waterline" she's either going to be about 10 feet higher out of the water than she should be or you will have some carving to do.

I used the Floating Drydock Plans and Paul Stillwell's Battleship Arizona for referrence. Stillwell's book is *the* referrence everyone should have on the USS Arizona.

Couple of last miscellaneous Links.
* 1921 USS Arizona by Tom's Modelworks reviewed (Another picture Here).
* 1941 USS Arizona built by Andy Elwood -Good Diorama work
* If I only had $7,500!!

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One more thing Larry; I'm willing to write a post on airplane models but it will be kinda long and probably shouldn't go in this thread.

One of my big modeling projects is to build a model of every ship and plane that took action that I can. At this point I have eight airplane kits, one battleship, and a mini submarine. The USS Vestal is on order ($160) and once that's paid off the USS Ward is next. Then the Nevada, Tennessee, California, West Virginia and a harbor tug if I can figure out which type was at Pearl and whether the ones I've seen kitted are correct. I haven't seen a model of the Oklahoma yet but I'm thinking of cutting my bottom hull for the Arizona up to try and represent her after she capsized. It might be easier to scratchbuild though.

Gonna big a BIG display!

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Little update

I have a resin model of the YT-146 Hoga on order from this company

Bigger news, I managed to swing a deal on Tom's Modelwork's resin 1/350th USS Arizona. This kit is now available from the same company as the Hoga above. COmmander has bought the molds from Tom's and is putting the kit out, as far as I know. Direct link here.

If Commander's quality of casting is the same as the quality as my kit I'm not recommending this kit to anyone. There are so many air bubbles in the hull that I spent more than a half hour just popping the ones on the hull above the waterline in preparation of filling them, contouring,and sandning down. I haven't even got to the ones that make many of the deck fittings unusable. I have not seen this many air bubbles in a "professional grade" kit before and it's going to take a lot of tedious work to fix it. The detail is crisp in some areas but soft in others.

If you're not an accuracy nut (warning!!! Accuracy police!!!) the banner kit is much better. Even if you are, it's probably better to start with the Banner kit and fix that than to have to deal with fixing the problems with a solid chunk of resin.

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