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David,

Lieuts. Yamaguchi and Fujita (balance of Shokaku) were over Hickam, while Lieut. Sakamoto and company (Zuikaku) were over Wheeler.  If not one of Takahashi's brood, whom then?  There is no one else from whom to pick.

Is there any evidence pointing to anyone else?  If so what?

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Hi Mike,
Your suggestion that the photo was made of the dive bombing of Hangar Six is only based on perceived info from the image. One must look beyond the image to look at the photographer. Who was he and when did he get at THAT altitude to obtain the photo?

The photo was taken a few minutes later...

The photo was made by a Soryu torpedo KATE after the counter-clockwise circle and recovery to altitude, and beginning its exit from the harbor area.

Of interest, original Japanese photography has a line across the bottom of the photo -omitted in the USN prints- which gives the pilot and photographer names.
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David,

Thanks for the information.

1. Who was the pilot from the Type 97?

2. I read somewhere about a new Arroyo book.  What is the publishing information so that I can order it?

3. Ditto regarding the book containing the Murata material.  Who is working on this?

By the way, I hope to have the aircrew roster Webpage up tonight.  Only just have to load it up to the server.  I will post up the URL (Mindspring) as soon as I get it.

"2nd" by the way, which kodos do I owe you?  I know (think) that I sent the CAP kodochoshos from PH, didn't I?

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David Brinkley, in a recent Pearl Harbor special, used this photo and magnified on what he said was a midget sub periscope visible just out from the West Virginia.  I must admit that it looked very real in the documentary.

Is the consensus here that this is fiction, and that no midget sub made it into the harbor?

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Cindy,

If you pop over to the midget submarine section there's an entire thread on whether there is a second midget in that photograph. And a lot more!

Brinkley did not (of course) do any research on the topic. He merely repeated the fiction that Autometric Inc has been spreading around, and National Geographic did not dispute  that outright because they used Burl Burlingame's book (which Autometric drew from extensively).

Basically, they wanted ratings, and nothing gets ratings like controversy. Rather than conducting research, they let the controversy continue and helped spread more rumors in the process. Hey, it sells magazines!

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 26 2001,7:28 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

"David Brinkley, in a recent Pearl Harbor special, used this photo and magnified on what he said was a midget sub periscope visible just out from the West Virginia. "

Look at the tripod mast legs on WV.  See how thick they are from the perspective of the camera.  Now consider how large a midget periscope would be.  

I'm sure someone can give us the diameters of both the above, but I'm going to swag them as 6 feet and 6 inches.  So, the tripod mast legs look like tiny sticks on WV, and we can see something that is 1/12th that diameter?  

(Of course, if you run the picture through a computer enough times, the image becomes clear, and it's (gasp) Kevin Costner.) (Obscure movie joke.)

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Kevin Costner ?  Which movie ?
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"No Way Out"  - Great movie and funny joke!  :biggrin:


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Thanks for the tip; I'll check out the thread.

Question:  What is autometric?  I see a reference above to Boeing-Autometric...is this a photography analysis unit?  I'm not familiar with the term.

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Hi Cindy,
Autometric is a company hired by the National Park Service to conduct an "independent" investigation of a theory proposed by the book, ADVANCE FORCE by "Burl" Burlingame, that a particular glob on the Japanese photo [discussed in this thread] is a midget submarine. See more in the midget sub category on this message board.

The end result was the taxpayer's monies were wasted.
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