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It seems like once a week I find something that has eluded my eyes over the years. And it always seems to be on the side of a photo. Like someone said once, the center of the photo isn't always the entire story.

Recently I have been diving into the Floating Drydock YFD-2 a little more and was looking at this photo. The photo in question is below

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g30000/g32719.jpg

On the extreme right of the shot, is the Nevada's bow. From the bow up to the #2 turret there is that white spot. Would or could this be a flash from a bomb strike?
It couldn't be an external fire...where is the dark smoke?
An internal fire in the bow...she did take a couple hits in this area, but why would the smoke here be concentrated in such a defined area and not rising?

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Hi Chris,
Wow, did you spot a goodie! Clyde Daughtry on USS Argonne filmed the USS Nevada nosing onto the shore line just west of USS Shaw. Hits and misses are coming down in rapid succession just before and after the ship nosed ashore. The Nevada's aft end kept moving until the ship was pointing upstream. Shortly after the USS Shaw finally exploded and the bow of Nevada in some photos, or the tops of Nevada in another are seen.

The photo which you found seems to be taken just before the USS Shaw exploded, sinking the drydock...and may be showing the start of an explosion on the bow of USS Nevada.

To compare this with the movie film may be the next step!

Great find!

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I am not a photo analist but to me it looks like a hit on the Navada. If you look at the No.1 turrent it apears that the area where the guns come out of the turrent is enveloped with fire.

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Looking to figure out where the Ward was moored usually and have been pooring over my books and the NHC all night. I found a big version of that photo in Ernie Arroyo's "Pearl Harbor" (Page 96).

It's a little bit clearer in that book  and I can see a tug just about even with the #1 turret and water pouring off the bow, so that may be the Hoga and a different view of this shot.

If not, some Tug captain's getting something scared out of 'im!

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Tracy-
The Other picture you meantioned, as seen below, is of the Hoga attending the fires on Nevada's bow. However this shot was taken after she was pushed across the channel rather than at the time when she was at Hospital Point.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g10000/g19940.jpg

After moving the injured Oglala, the Hoga and the yard tug YT-130, under orders from Adm. Furlong, moved the Nevada after she was beached, over to the western side of the channel. This was finished and Hoga started her fire fighting about 10:45. About the time this photo was taken.

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Here is a picture of the bomb damige on the bow of the Nevada.   http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h64000/h64484.jpg  
It looks like the photo of the Nevada and Shaw showes this bomb hit.

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Photo and film analysis now this is what I really like!!! I found a few photos to take a look at of the USS Nevada during her run for the sea. These photos are from the NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER


1. USS Nevada near the 1010 dock note no damage on the deck just forward of turret #1
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h97000/h97397.jpg



2.USS Nevada moving down the channel, still no damage on the deck in front of turret #1
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g30000/g32443.jpg



3. USS Nevada just opposite of Hangar #6 seaplane ramp, bombs now hitting near bow
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g30000/g32894.jpg



4. USS Nevada now beached and drifting into the channel.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h97000/h97396.jpg



5. USS Nevada aft end swinging around in the channel, note the smoke from a fire on the deck just forward of turret #1
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g30000/g32445.jpg



6. USS Nevada now turned around in the channel, a very similar time as the photo Chris put up. Look very close at the bow of the USS Nevada you can see the stern of a fire tug in this photo, now look at Chris's photo you will also see a fire tug putting water on the fires. Tracey talks about a photo with a fire tug and Chris placed that photo up but I want you to look at the starboard side of the Nevada you will see a channel marker bouy and off in the distance you see the other channel marker bouy. I think the photo was taken before she was pushed over to Waipio Point. I do have a few photos taken by the Japanese of the Nevada. The photos are from very high altitude and you can see the docks at the Navy Yard, the south end of Ford Island and a little bit of Battleship Row. I also have the film that David is talking about. I don't have a web site to link them up on this meesage board or I would do that for everyone.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g30000/g32457.jpg



7. The damage to the deck just forward of turret #1
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h64000/h64484.jpg



8. two photos of Nevada Point that I took on a visit to Pearl Harbor




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Scott I have tons of space if you need to post a clip... e-mail me at whitet@blarg.net

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Hi Everyone,
I want to thank Tracy for the web space. I have a few pictures I wanted to post.

1. The USS Nevada from the air, noted the bomb misses in the water as she moves down the channel.
USS Nevada from the air

2. USS Nevada, she has already turned in the channel, note the white smoke from the forward deck
USS Nevada

3. Water sprays into the air from a near miss
Near miss water spray

4. Close up of the Hoga, close to the time of the photo Chris posted.
fire tug

5. USS Nevada at Waipio Point, you can see the shore line just to the left.
Nevada at Waipio Point

6. This is a great photo, the USS Nevada is gone but you can see most of Pearl Harbor, note the smoke at the top center of the picture from the USS Curtiss
Pearl Harbor from the air

I hope you all enjoyed the photos!! I have lots more plus lots of film footage.

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Chris,
Sorry, but I felt compelled to rebut your statement on your posted photo ( 80-G-19940 ) of Nevada beached. If you compare that photo with Scott Freund's photo #5 of the marker at Hospital Point, you will notice the mountains in the background. They are the Wainae range, west of Pearl. If that photo ( 19940 ) had bee taken as you stated, then the mountains would have been directly aft of the ship, or even off the rear starboard quarter; but definately not off the port side. Also, with the prevailing winds on that day, the smoke would have been moving directly off the starboard side, ( as in Scott's later photo, #5, of the ship at Waipio ), not down along the starboard side.
So, it is my belief that the photo 19940 was taken from Hospital Point, prior to the Nevada's move to Waipio.
On the other hand, the apparent lack of dark smoke in the 19940 photo as compared with the "waipio" photo may indicate that I'm completely off the mark.   Hey, it was just a thought.

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