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Topic: Question on thoughts on movie aircraft & ships, was the movie accurate?< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 08 2001,11:08  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hello all; I am new to this forum, but I just wish to post a few thoughts and questions about the movie in general.

First off, I thought it was a great movie and well worth seeing more than once; but I question some of the movie's technical accuracy in spots.

Am I correct in thinking the following things as inaccurate?

The B25's used in the movie (j variants) had waist guns, forward top turrets, and greenhouse tail turrets. Weren't the real Doolittle raiders B\C variants, where the top turret gun was placed aft towards the rear of the aircraft, the canopy lacked the Cross-bracing shown in the film, and before tail turrets or waist guns existed on B25's?

The only aircraft shown on the ground were p 40's and dc-3's (c-47s)...wouldn’t there have been p36 hawks, p35’s, p26's and various other pre-war aircraft on the base as well?
What about the PBY2 Catalina seaplanes at the seaplane mooring?

There were several ships that looked quite a bit like modern Arleigh-Burke class destroyers in the film....were they representing tankers?

The Film’s Doolittle raiders were launched from a modernized Essex class carrier (a museum in Texas as I believe the "making the movie" show mentioned….though not sure)... The USS Hornet was a modified Yorktown Class carrier that looked quite different; (notably, it had an all-teak (with metal expansion beams) deck and didn’t have “Beware of propellers, blasts and intakes” written on the island side as was in the movie.)

(on a positive note along the same lines...I was quite impressed with the movies' portrayal of the Japanese carrier fleet.....very very very well done...just wish the Hornet's portrayal matched)

That’s really about it for my tech-notes. Overall, I thought it was a wonderfully done movie--especially the cinematography and 1940's ambiance. Im just curious if my notes are correct or not.

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 18 2001,11:19 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

My knowledge of some of those 1940 Army aircraft is not as good as my knowledge of Japanese Navy aircraft.    The Japanese planes I think were done pretty well, except some of the Zeros looked more like the later Model 52 and had color schemes of those Japanese fighters after the plane was used from mostly land bases.  

The ship models also looked fairly accurate.  I tried to notice whether the Japanese carriers had any with their superstructures on the port side.  The Akagi and Hiryu were the only two carriers in the world to be so designed.  I cannot say for sure I saw this.  The American battleships looked accurate except for when they showed the burning hulk of the Arizona I thought I saw a tripod mast crumpled over which is correct, but a cage mast astern which was not the case.  Both masts were tripods.

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Hello Folks,
For all of the questions and comments on the historical accuracy of this film I offer this.   The movie was a "love story".   It was loosely framed around several prominent events in history.   It was not, nor intended to be a documentary; nor did it claim to be at all accurate in a historic sense.
With that said, yes, there were gross errors, both historically and technically.   And yes, we could nit-pick til the cows come home over the minor mistakes and the outright lies.   But really folks, It was just a movie.    A movie titled after a subject near and dear to our hearts and national consciousness; but a movie none-the-less.   Let's stop "annalizing" ( yes, I spelled it that way for a reason ) over the thing.   Watch it, enjoy it, talk about it, get inspired by it, and maybe even do something special because of it.   But for gods sake, stop whining about it.
I apologize to anyone I may have offended by my tirade, but it's time to move on.

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PostIcon Posted on: Nov. 27 2001,12:45 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

I may even buy "Pearl Harbor" when it appears on DVD.  Kate Beckinsale *is* a pleasure to see, IMHO.  But I think the thing that troubles many of us is that this film may be regarded by many as presenting accurate history.  You and I can just blow it off and enjoy it for what it is, but many will not.  Witness how the "sleeping giant" line from "Tora, Tora, Tora" has taken on a life of its own.
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Ok, I'm new here so let me start by saying Aloha from Alaska.  I have a few thoughts on the movie and my major thought is utter disappointment.  Yes, i know the love story was the emphasis, but dang it people, we have fact to go on, lets get the story right... Even TITANIC got a good part of the history right, why not give the Attack the same credit???

I was stunned to see Aegis equipped destroyers, and to see such obvious errors, the IJN is portrayed as nothing more than comic book characters in my opinion, and no justice is done the men who served on that fateful December day.

As for aircraft in the movie...... I am sure some of our surviving veterans of the Pacific Air war would be amazed at how manuerverable the Zero is!!!! And where are the B-17s??? I have a particular intrest in those -17s as i had the privlidge in the mid to late 80s of living on Hamilton AFB formaly Hamilton AAF from whence the  "'Forts" took off from.  

I had been proud lately of the attempts of Hollywood to get it right in regards to historical films... this was a travesty. I guess there will never be another TORA TORA TORA, but with all the advances in CGG, couldnt they get the ships right?????


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(Edited by David Aiken at 8:54 pm on Dec. 17, 2001)

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Hello All:

  I would like to suggest that after watching the Pearl Harbor movie you get hold of a copy of the National Geographic video presentation titled "Pearl Harbor..Beyond the Movie.

  This video does a very good job at separating the fact and fiction as presented in the movie, and does a very good job at putting the movie into the proper prospective.


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As a person who works in a library, I would say this about the movie--I have never seen so many books and videos flying off the shelves regarding Pearl Harbor, and WWII in my life.  Young kids, middle-aged kids, and old kids were studying the history of this event like mad.  And I must say that I have learned more about Pearl Harbor, the navy in WWII, and the Doolittle Raid since I saw this movie than I had learned in all my previous 57 years.  So although it was not historically accurate (most movie goers know that's par for the course) it peeked people's interest enough to learn more about the historical events depicted and that's not all that bad!

(Edited by Rob Roy at 12:55 am on Dec. 17, 2001)

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PostIcon Posted on: Dec. 17 2001,4:33 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Thank you Rob, and Thank you Brian....I agree with both of you.

I enjoyed the movie...several times.  I've bought the movie on dvd, and have enjoyed it again...several times.

It's a movie...I know the difference.   I know where to go to look for historical accuracy.  

What is most thrilling to see is that so many other people have become interested in Pearl Harbor and are now "going to other sources" to learn more about it, and (whether people like it or not) that is due in large part to Jerry Bruckheimer and Michael Bay and this terrific movie.  Thanks guys.

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After watching the DVD special feature about the making of the movie, I realized just how hard it was to film.  As to the love story, as the director said, we had to make the audience care about the characters.  They interviewed hundreds of Pearl Harbor survivors and came up with a compilation of many stories to create interest in the event.

I just finished watching Enemy At The Gate, and enjoyed it greatly.  Although this story was not accurate it did give the viewer a feel for what it was like to be in Stalingrad during the battle for the city.  Pearl Harbor, I thought, was somewhat the same in that it tried to give the audience the feeling of being there during the attack and how December 7th changed the lives of most Americans.

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Firstly I would like to say that all movies go wrong somewhere along the line but when it comes to historical events then accuracy gets more important.

Pearl Harbour as an actual event remains a tribute to many Americans  - in my opinion small mistakes in the movie as in the specific plane or bomber are small things whihc are fun to point out. However any mistakes which would entirley alter the depiction of the event would definitley need to be taken into consideration!!!!

Finally I would lke to say in reply to the post on more interest in the subject that I am one of those people who knew nothing until the movie and now I am finding it so enjoyable to discover the real story. For me the movie was but a small starting point onto a road of discovery(sounds corny but its the truth!!!;)

So lets not go too overboard with the accuracy of the movie and enjoy the fact that people have stood up and recognised Pearl Harbour and become more interested so message boards like this can benefit!!!!
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