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PostIcon Posted on: May 31 2001,9:45  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
Hi... just out of curiousity... and since I don't know much about what really went on at Pearl Harbor... can somebody tell me a couple of things that were historically accurate and inaccurate in the movie Pearl Harbor (3+ each)?  I'm not bagging on the movie I'm just interested at what Hollywood does to actual events.  Thanks!!!
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Welcome, Nickyfan!

Well, I am certain that your post will bring about numerous responses....

GOOD)

1.  Japan DID, in fact, bomb Pearl Harbor!
    (Ok, I'm just being a poop!)
2.  Dorie Miller was the first African-
    American to receive the Navy Cross.
3.  The Nurses at Pearl did receive Purple
     Hearts for their service 12-7-1041.

BAD!!!)
1.  NO Doolittle Raider was shot and killed
    upon capture following the crash land-
    ing!!
2.  No FIGHTER JOCK dumped his plane to
    pilot a bomber over Tokyo!!!
3.   The "broomsticks guns" were put into
     the tails of the B-25 BEFORE the
     planes even left the US!!


Yep, I am REALLY PICKING on the movie folks for their portrayal of the Doolittle Raid portion of the film.  I would like to think I am reasonably well-versed on the subject and have met and/or corresponded with several Raiders....I would have preferred that those men would have been given a better "due" than the "story" that Hollywood picked out!

I am certain that there are those WITH MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGE than I regarding the specific topic of the bombing of Pearl Harbor!
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I pretty much agree with you, however, I have a different "take" on it.    

First of all, I truly hope that this will "inspire" someone in Hollywood to do a serious film on the Doolittle Raiders.  They certainly deserve it.

Second, though, I'm thrilled that the "raid" was used in the film.  My own sister told me afterwards that she had no idea what was actually involved in the Doolittle Raid.  I've noticed that there are quite a few young people (high school or college age) viewing the movie, and they too are being exposed to this piece of history...however flawed.

Yes, I wish it were done better, but at least it is being seen, and hopefully will inspire some further study!

Just my two cents! :)
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anybody have anymore?  this is really interesting.
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Well Nickeyfan,
  Have you seen the film yet?  What do you think?   Had you heard of the Doolittle Raid before?  :)
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When you think of the Doolittle raid you should take a moment to remember the retribution Japan took on the Chinese for helping the raiders.  Tens of thousands died.  WWII started in China and she suffered severely.  She didn't, however, give up.  I don't know why the Japanese did give her "one good slap" like they planned for the US at Pearl Harbor.
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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 04 2001,7:56 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE
As far as accuracy:
1.) The Arizona and Oklahoma did sink as indicated in the movie although I am not sure the ships' names were ever mentioned.  A photo of the Arizona was shown pinned in the cockpit of a Japanese bomber so you assume that the Arizona was his target.
2.) Captain Mervyn Bennion of the West Virginia died of a mortal wound during the attack and he was attended to by Doris Miller.
3.) There was a brief lull between the 2 waves of Japanese bombers which allowed the Americans time to prepare some anti-aircraft batteries before the second wave arrived.

Inaccuracies:
1.) One of the heroes of the movie, Ben Affleck I think, says the planes are not attacking because they were not carrying any ordinance (first wave planes returning to carriers).  As these words are spoken a plane flies over with a very obvious torpedo slung under the fuselage.
2.) In the midst of all the action sequences a battleship's mast collapses.  This is not the Oklahoma sinking or the explosion of the Arizona.  No ship had its mast collapse during the attack.  Several masts were removed after the attack during salvage operations so maybe this is what caused the error.
3.) The Japanese planes looked accurate except for the fighters were frequently shown with their upper surfaces painted a brown or dark green.  I've never seen any publication of the Pearl Harbor attack show the Zero fighters used in the attack painted anything but solid light grey on all surfaces with the cowling was black.  

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I noticed that in a photo of a Zero taking off from the carrier there is an obvious tank or something underneath.   I had noticed it in some movies and thought maybe it was a torpedo plane/Val that was just being call a Zero for the movie, but now that I've seen this actual photo I know differently.   Was it a belly tank for fuel such as we developed in the ETO to enable the fighters to accompany the bomber streams to the target?  

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Another thing about the Doolittle raid that was never mentioned were those planes that did land in Russia and China had crews kept prisoner.

There was a really great show on the History Channel about the Doolittle Raiders a couple of years ago. I just wish that I had a tape of it. It seemed to me that our "ally" Russia kept one of the squads for the duration of the war. Of course that could be my memory fading. Anyone else remember that series?

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Aloha Jack50,
You asked, "2. do trains run from usa to england ? in one scene i saw ben affleck get on one from pearl harbor to england !!!"

Of course, the trains had a direct under water tunnel access to England from the United States. How else did Churchill get supplied with cuban cigars... ;-) lol

NOT! That is an obvious error in "continuity" in the movie.
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