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Maybe, just maybe, he was taking the train to Canada, since they had regular travel to the UK. Afterall, they were at war already, right?
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Maybe, just maybe, he was taking the train to Canada, since they had regular travel to the UK. Afterall, they were at war already, right?

After all the "interesting" reponses to this I feel a bit mundane in suggesting that he's catching a train from London to Liverpool, or New York to San Francisco?  Remember, trains were what planes are today, the best way to get somewhere "fast".

Of course, given what I've already heard about this movie the train could be the Orient Express.

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A few comments on historical accuracy (now this is really nitpicking)...

1.  The common belief is that Kate horizontal bombers dropped modified 15 in. gun shells as AP bombs, not the big bulbous fat "BOMB" shown in the movie (why does Hollywood insist on dumbing it down).

2.  I find it hard to believe that
    A.  Jimmy Doolittle would endorse a fighter pilot joining Eagle Squadron.
    B.  That same fighter pilot would be immediately posted to a P-40 squadron at Pearl Harbor upon his return to the United States (I am almost sure that Eagle Squadron pilots were forced to resign US commissions).
    C.  That a group of fighter pilots would be assigned various crew duties aboard a B-25 Mitchell during the Doolittle Raid.
    D.  That Adm. Kimmel would nonchalantly discuss war preparations while inspecting troops, and that he and his staff would take credit for Gen. Short's decision to deploy his aircraft in anti-sabotage formations while on the ground.  What Navy Aircraft were "parked in rows on the airstrip"  PBYs at Ford????

3.  As many or more P-36s took to the air during the raid, and from the more centralized Wheeler Airfield as depicted in the film.  The P40s were scrambled from Ewa, with it's airship mooring tower (not a "maintenance field).

A trivia note that would help prove however, that things are stranger than fiction.  A single American pilot was involved in three of the biggest (or most notable) events of the war.  Davy Jones piloted a Doolittle Bomber, was eventually repatriated and flew in the Ploesti Raid, was shot down, captured and participated in the tunnel digging at Sagan (The Great Escape).

By the way, a definitive movie on the Doolittle raid has been made  "Thirty Seconds over Tokyo"  Although a little jingoistic (consider the production date)  the story line is taken from a pilot's actual experiences and was endorsed by Doolittle himself.

I also feel that "Tora, Tora, Tora" was the definitive film on the Pearl Harbor attack itself as it presented both viewpoints and used both US and Japanese historical sources and technical advisors, but that's just my opinion.


Great Message Board and Site...Glad to meet you all.

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I always thought myself something of a history buff.  Now I wish I had taken military history in college.  I guess I take more of an anthropological view of history as I know more about what went on back home than during the battles.  I hate to say I never heard of Doolittle's Raiders and the new movie has made me more interested.  I have always concentrated my studies on the war in Europe rather than the one in the Pacific.  Ironically, had my father's brother not been killed on D-Day, my father would have been stationed in the Pacific.  As it was, he spent the war in South America.
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Seen the movie a couple of weeks ago and have to say the flying scenes were pretty good. As for historical accuracy it was very much lacking in that department. About the only things they did get right were the japenese attacked and shot up alot of are boys. There were two army pilots that got off the ground and are credited with 6 kills and 4 probables. (they shot down the plane but it wasnt seen by any one). As for the Dolittle raid a total af 80 men took place in the raid. Heres the link I got this info from hope it helps http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/features/trvideo.htm There is also alot of info on the other aspects of the war also.
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Thanks for the site link.  I visited it, and it's excellent.
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Many Dolittle raiders forced landed on then Japanese occupied territorty in China after mission. Fortunately they had been rescued and hiden up by ordinary Chinese. Japanese tried desperately to comb but failed to found them. So that area was just wiped out by Japanese, about 50 thousand civilians had been buthered.

We should remeber the great raider heros, but we should not forget the Chinese who sacrificed so many lives at the same time.

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As a frequent visitor to the USENET I sometimes see people from outside the US making the claim that we didn't even know anybody else was fighting the war.  I respond with a list of movies which show that, during the war people in the United States were exposed to the participation of the other Allies.

For China I always mention:

Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo
The Flying Tigers
God Is My Co-Pilot  (close enough if not actually during the war.)

I then go on to say that the Dragon Lady, Madame Chiang, was so frequently in the news that it was unlikely that anyone would forget China.

Similar examples are available for other countries.  This is why I invite people to my site at World War II Resources where they can see WWII-related documents from around the world.  Over 2,500 so far.

The telescope of time reduces everything, but  certainly during the war, and to every careful historian, the contributions of China are known.  May we never forget.

(Edited by Larry Jewell at 3:48 pm on Nov. 11, 2001)

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PostIcon Posted on: Nov. 15 2001,2:04 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

If you'd like some pictures of the raid the Navy Historical WEbsite has some.
Doolittle Raid:<BR>
<LI><A HREF="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/misc-42/doolt-p.htm">Plane Crews</A>
<LI><A HREF="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/misc-42/doolt-a.htm">B-25's</A>
<LI><A HREF="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/misc-42/doolt-s.htm">Ships involved</A>
<LI><A HREF="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/misc-42/dooltl.htm">Launch</A>

There is also a write-up on Jimmy Doolittle <A HREF="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pers-us/uspers-d/j-dooltl.htm">here</A> and pages on the USS Hornet <A HREF="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-h/cv8.htm">here</A>.

Hope this helps :)

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They did use sterilized Coke bottles for blood donations, and the Japanese did use the Honolulu radio station as a homing beacon.

The thing the movie was short on was the number of friendly fire causalities the US forces took that day.  Now, I'll know that true history is being told when friendly fire incidents are depicted!

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