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As far as I know, only one of the five midget's ID numbers (HA-19) is known.  This is listed below:

I-18 - Midget A is the one sunk by USS WARD - this has recently been found by the U of Hawaii Undersea Research Lab.

I-22 - Midget B is the one sunk by USS Monaghan, salvaged, and buried at the sub base in 1942

I-24 - Midget C is HA-19. This is the one which was beached and now at the Admiral Nimitz Museum in Texas.

I-20 - Midget D is the one found by USN divers in 1960 and ended up at Etajima.

I-16 - Midget E was never found.

I have to say that I am a little surprised.  Is this really true after 60 odd years?
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Hello there, and welcome to the site.

You are incorrect in assigning any midget to a specific mother submarine other than the I-24 midget (the HA-19), also known as Midget C, and the I-16 midget known as Midget E.

There is not a single shred of evidence to support any other assignment of identity.  There are those who have put forth a lot of unsubstantiated speculation concerning the identity of the midgets and which mother submarine they came from, but there is no evidence.

I can think of few things that would help any longer, given the significant passage of time.  One thing that may help would be records on Midget B's crew from 1941 that may still be buried in the archives someplace, as yet undiscovered.  

If Midget A is raised there is a very slim chance that DNA might yield results on surviving skeletal remains.

Other than that, any belief concerning the identity of the midget submarines is pure speculation and cannot be proven in any way.

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Hi Ken,

Thank you for your response - very interesting.

I appreciate your info about the lack of association between midget and mother sub for the three boats. Much appreciated.

Can you also confirm that apart from Midget C = HA-19, none of the other HA numbers are known?  This seems pretty incredible, as two other midgets have in fact been salvaged by the USN.
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Midget B was recovered in 1941 from Pearl Harbor, but she was in extremely ppor condition.  There was nothing to identify her by due to the advanced state of corrosion caused by the battery acid released inside her when she sank as well as the decomposing bodies in the boat.

Midget D was recovered in 1960 after 19 years in salt water.  Again, the state of corrosion was such that there was no way to identify her.

Midget A and Midget E have not been recovered, although Midget A has been located.  There is little chance of identification after all these years even if either boat is raised.

The only way to really identify any of the boats would be contemporary records (i.e., construction records from Japan or 1941 documents from Pearl Harbor).

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Thank you Ken for all your help.
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Ken, I just added a new picture of midget B in the midget B photo area.
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