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http://starbulletin.com/2001/09/06/news/story7.html
This is parts of a sub dumped later in the war. I believe it's the bow section to the same sub Ballard found the stern and Torpedos to.
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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 07 2001,4:15 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hi Tracy,
The bow section of the midget found in 1960 was removed and dumped at sea. Wonder if this is it? The rest is exhibited at Eta Jima Naval Academy, Hiroshima, Japan.
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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 07 2001,4:53 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

I wonder myself. The pics the Navy has onlline of that particular minisub:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japtp-ss/mdg-a-2.htm
show it to be in fairly good condition. No shots of the bow that I can find though, so we can't compare it with the wire cutters in the star bulliten shot.
According to this article here:
http://www.pacshiprev.com/page31.html The bow of the 1960 sub was sunk with the torpedos in the tubes for safety reasons, whereas the one recently found has no torpedos.
But I'm no expert.

The article says it was found near a stern and midsection as well, so they either dumped a couple in the same exact spot or it's part of the same boat. I've also read that later varients had different wire cutters so this might not be one of the later boats that was dumped. I guess it's equally possible that either is the case...
But once again, I'm no expert.

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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 08 2001,12:11 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Tracy,

The torpedo guards on Type A midgets were not all alike. Those used in Sydney at the end of May 1942, for example, differed significantly from those used on the boats at Pearl Harbor. Others found later in the war had the earlier design. I think it is a matter, like in many instances, where a few may have been changed to an experimental design, but not all boats were retrofitted.

Modern Navies still have such practices where equipment is concerned. Some ships, submarines, or aircraft of a type or class receive modifications during their life cycle, yet others of the same type or class do not.

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PostIcon Posted on: Sep. 09 2001,8:56 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

I have a bow shot of that submarine on my website as part of our mini-submarine Tech Board article.  This is the direct link:

http://www.warships1.com/W-Tech/tech-053.htm

I can scan at a higher resolution if you need it.

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Great, that looks like the same configuration as the one they just found. :) Thanks
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Hey guys,

I just received a packet of photos of the midget you are discussing from Terry Kerby, director of the University of Hawaii submersible program. The bow section in question doesn't have torpedoes, therefore it is not the bow of Midget D, which was found in 1960.  

This midget more than likely came from Saipan in 1944.

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PostIcon Posted on: Dec. 08 2009,1:44 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hi, it is being reported that remains of the 5th mini sub have been located off Pearl Harbor. A TV special will also be aired on NOVA in Jan 2010.

However back tracking through  this forum, the newly discovered remains sound just like the artifcats mentioned here in 2002. It's also the same diver that was previously mentioned.

Thoughts, are they trying to drum up a new angle and theory.
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PostIcon Posted on: Dec. 09 2009,4:58 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Here's a link to the article in the Honolulu Star BulletinHonolulu Star Bulletin

Looks like the same remains previously known about, with a new twist on how they got there, via West Loch and the LST explosions in 1944.

The claim is the sub got into the harbor, got off two shots, escaped and hid in West Loch, sent off the message that's been reported, then was scuttled. The wreckage was brought up with that of the LST's sunk in the explosion in 1944 and dumped at sea.

All the evidence is pretty circumstantial to be sure, and it's a pretty tenuous thread, but interesting to examine nonetheless.

Will be interesting to see how they deal with the St. Louis reports and the controversial photo that's been discussed here.
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Interesting how this thread continues to try to place the Midget E "In the harbor"...The splashes in the BB row photo have been substantially proven as aerial torpedoes, or possibly even smoke clouds...These reports continually defy the USS St. Louis claims, with secondary backing from other sources, of the torpedoes launched at her detonating on a shoal outside Pearl Harbor. If Midget E was firing torpedoes at BB row, than what fired on St. Louis?  I have understanding that only the PH midgets had this type of cutters on the bow, that later versions differ. The thoughts I have heard is this is Midget E.  The St. Louis claimed to have fired upon a submerged vessel, the hole where the cable is, appears to be a piercing, rather than a drilled or cut hole.

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