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Thank you Tracy. I read somewhere that after Dec 7th Admiral Nimitz had several old type BB's available but kept them on the West Coast due to there excessive fuel consumption or they where assigned to convoy duty from Pearl to the West Coast. After reading about how desperate the U.S. Navy had become due to the loss of ships at Guadalcanal I have to come to the conclusion that since they would not send any of these older type BB's there to help they must have considered these ships a liability in a surface action. I am aware of BB's being in service the Navy till the early 90's, but lets face it there is no comparison to those old BB's and the BB's of the North Carolina, South Dakota, and Iowa Class

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Do you also feel that the BB's at Pearl on Dec 7th where obsolete?

The Japanese didn't consider them obsolete, nor did the US Navy.

Mahan's idea of a decesive action between Battleship fleets didn't suddenly die at Pearl Harbor. In January of 1942 two Battleships were quickly sent from the Atlantic Fleet to the Pacific. The repair of the three lightly damaged Battleships, and futher transfers from the Atlantic bought the Pacfic fleet back up to 8 active battleships by July of 1942, again showing they weren't considered obsolete by the US Navy.

The Nevada showed one problem, that the watertight integrity of older battleships couldn't be relied on, and later experance with the Pennsylvania showed that this class had the same problem. This is why the older classes of Battleships were obsolesant, near the end of their service life, and they stayed in the Atlantic until near the end of the war.

Breaking it down, the big 5 (4 of which were at Pearl Harbor) were not obsolesant until the arrival the Iowas, and they served as a fleet in being, a reserve that would be used if a Mahaian decesive battle had come about. The two Nevada class ships were clearly obsolesant on December 7th, and the two Pennsylvanias were borderline obsolesant.

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