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Aloha All,
Between the first and second aerial attack waves, Middle Loch was the focus of a midget sub's entry into the harbor. Then late in the second wave two VALs crashed, one at Beaconing Point and the other ON the USS Curtiss...not a "kamikaze" but a damaged plane who's pilot wanted to bring some sort of meaning to his death by taking out the ship. THEN another VAL damaged from its encounter with USS Nevada, flew north trying to get its engine to work...had its tail blown off and it was low enough that its crew survived the crash. One drowned himself rather than be captured, the other "went for his gun" and was killed while floating in the water.
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Aloha All,
In the above post, I said "Beaconing Point" when the spit of land sticking into the western end of Middle Loch is "Beckoning Point"! Hope I learn this well enough when I write it wrong the next time!
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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 14 2001,9:33 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

David,

If you had any idea how many times I wrote "Beckonging Point" instead of "Beckoning Point" when doing my last article you would laugh yourself silly at me.  Good thing I have a spell checker that learns faster than I do.

When I was interviewing Pearl Harbor survivors for that article I met a former crewman from USS Curtiss who has a small piece of the Val that crashed her.  I've suggested that he donate it to a museum some day, and he seems to like that idea.

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PostIcon Posted on: Apr. 13 2001,11:33 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hi, Ken!

It sure would be great if that USS Curtis crewman would:

A)  Donate the piece of the Val to the museum;
B)  Take time to document his "story" regarding what took place and how he came to own the artifact.

I have long admired historians, authors, et al who have taken time to chronicle the "common man's" story of their war experiences, particularly WWII!  "History" is nice, but the individuals' stories are more insightful and interesting for me to read!

Happy Easter, everyone!

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Aloha All,
"Pete Paradis" at the History Channel BBS posted some excerpts from a few books about USS Curtiss actions on 7 Dec and WWII cryptanalyst Phil Jacobson had a recollection:

From Samuel Eliot Morison's  
"Rising Sun In The Pacific", p. 115-116
"... a signalman noticed that tender Curtiss was flying a signal indicating presence of an enemy submarine. The midget was sighted two minutes later, under fire from Curtiss and Medusa. It launched a torpedo which missed Curtiss and hit a dock at Pearl City. The two auxiliaries checked fire when the destroyer was about to foul their range and enjoyed a few minutes' relaxation as they applauded the fine seamanship and attack technique exhibited by Lieutenant Com­mander Burford and his merry men of the Monaghan....
...Curtiss was not through. One of her guns, as well as those on other ships (including destroyer Blue, now steaming down-harbor a short distance behind Monaghan), at 0905 hit a "Val" pulling out of a dive over Ford Island. The pilot either lost control or decided to inaugurate suicide tactics; his plane crashed the tender's starboard side and started a fire. Before that was brought under control, several planes attacked Curtiss and one of their bombs exploded in the hangar, starting more fires, killing 20 men and wounding 58. But the tender had the satisfaction of seeing one of the planes under fire from her machine guns disintegrate in the air. And within half an hour the fire on board was quenched. "

From Gordon Prange's "At Dawn We Slept", p. 531:  
". As ready-duty destroyer, Monaghan had been ordered to sea to support Ward. Now, with Pearl Harbor under attack, Burford wanted "to get out of that #### harbor as fast as possible." At exactly 0839 his signalman drew his attention to Curtiss. The seaplane tender had signaled a submarine sighting. An enemy submarine in Pearl Harbor's shallow waters? "Well, Curtiss must be crazy," said Burford flatly.
"That may be, Captain," the crewman conceded, "but what is that down there?" Burford followed his gesture off the starboard bow and saw "an over and under shotgun barrel looking up" at him at about 1,200 yards. "I don't know what the #### it is," he announced to those with him on the bridge, "but it shouldn't be there." With that he ordered flank speed and headed for the intruder to ram. Ships all around fired at the object, churning the waters with bullets. "It was a hectic few minutes," Burford recalled. "There was that sub coming directly at me, and I at him, and all that speed, and the firing by others, and a number of ships out ahead of me in restricted maneuvering space, and all that Japanese air attack behind us and our antiaircraft fire, their planes-God, a lot was going on in just a few minutes of time."
Soon the submarine "commenced surfacing in damaged condition and was hit directly with both 5" and .50 caliber shells" from Curtiss at 0840-just ten minutes before Shimazaki ordered deployment. The submarine had a 5-inch shell hole through the conning tower, which killed the captain. He was blown into a mass of crumpled steel... "

Phil Jacobson also responded:
"I spent one night on the Curtiss during WWII  
Your post brought back memories of the night of 3 November 1942 spent on the Curtiss when it was moored in Espiritu Santo Bay.

"My small group that was to establish an intercept and analysis station on Guadalcanal reported in on the morning of 3 November 1942 and apent the night there. I recall I had to lay down my hammock in an ammunition locker with the aerial torpedos right by my head. The morning of the 4th we moved our radio gear to the airfield at Espiritu Santo and took off for Guadalcanal in the early morning of the 5th of November 1942.

"At the time, the Curtiss was the headquarters for ComNavAirSoPac.

PHJ"
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PostIcon Posted on: Dec. 20 2012,7:34 Skip to the previous post in this topic.  Ignore posts   QUOTE

USS Curtis at Pearl harbor

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos....urt.htm
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