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CINCPACT issued a dispatch at 1530 December 7th, 1941 to Task Force 15.1 informing the task force to return to San Francisco. Was this the task force that consisted of merchant ships GARFIELD and JOHNSON?
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PostIcon Posted on: Feb. 10 2003,1:52 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Would that be the President Garfield?

SO far I'm finding a DE and a LST with Garfield in the name, but nothing named simply Garfield.

Not that it's of much help (doesn't cover 15.1) but this page breaks down TF 15 a bit.

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The President names were troop transports (AP's). There was a whole series of them. áSo this one would have been "President Garfield."

Remember though, that you may well be looking for an Army vessel rather than Navy, since a great many of these transports were owned or contracted by the US Army.

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The dispatch that mentions Task Force 15.1 reads as follows : "From CINCPAC to Task Force 15.1 X War declared by Japan on Britain and United States X Task Force 15.1 proceed direct to San Francisco X Task Force 15.5 proceed to Sydney XX".   Task Force 15.5 was the convoy escorted by the U.S.S. Pensacola.  Task Force 15.3 was the convoy escorted by the U.S.S. Louisville enroute to Pearl Harbor. I do not have the task force designator for the U.S.S.Boise, which joined the Asiatic Fleet at the start of the war. I had copied that dispatch out of the Pearl Harbor Attack Hearings twenty years ago, so I cannot say for sure that the "Garfield" was an army transport. I have it listed as a merchant ship along with the Johnson.  Sorry that I could not provide any more information then that is listed in this post.  Thanks for your help.  More will follow.
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Did some digging on the net for you and results are inconclusive. President Johnson was used by the Army and according to the preceeding link, "She departed San Francisco for the Philippines 5 December but turned back on learning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawail, 2 days later."

Garfield I'm having harder luck with. There was a President Garfield that was used in the Pacific but she did not serve under that name; she was renamed President Madison in December of 1940 and upon commisioning by the Navy renamed again to USS Kenmore (AP-62). This did not happen until 1942 and I've come across a couple of stories of sailors sailing on a troopship named President Garfield after this so I'm not sure what the deal is yet.

There was ANOTHER President Garfield, a ship laid down as President Garfield but renamed Thomas Jefferson prior to launching in late 1940.

I did find some more tidbits though; an Army historical page may help a bit.
From http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/SP1941-42/chapter4.htm:

The schedule of shipments finally established in November provided for sending to the Philippines some 20,000 troops, about one third of them Air horses units, on eleven troopships to sail from fan Francisco between 21 November and 9 December 1941.... The President Johnson with 2,500 troops the 2d Battalion of the 138th Field Artillery Regiment and three squadrons of the 35th Pursuit Group), the Etolin with 1,400 troops " including the 218th Field Artillery Regiment minus the 2d Battalion) and the Bliss sailed from San Francisco on 5 December 1941. The following day the President Garfield sailed from the same port [72] with the remainder of the 35th Pursuit Group.

And from the Endnotes for that page:
33 (1) Compilation of Papers, Tabs 1, 2, and 3, Folder Book 1, Exec 4. (2) Craven and Cate, AAF I, p. 192. (3) Rpt cited n. 32. The President Johnson, Bliss, Etolin, and President Garfield turned back to San Francisco and unloaded their troops on 8 and 9 December after the Pearl Harbor attack. (See below, pp. 148-51.)

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Tracy, this looks like that could be Task Force 15.1. They would not have an escorting cruiser until they had reached Pearl. I guess in my research, I had never cared to look up the foot notes. Thanks for your help.
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Gentlemen,

Well, here's one payoff of getting the CINCPAC diary for December 1941.

I am going through the diary to see if I can find anything additional about TF 15 after 7 Dec.

The diary so far has two entries:

1) Message dated 1607 Local 10 Dec (0237z 11 Dec): CTF 15 to CTG 15.5:  All previous instructions cancelled.  Return to Honolulu with convoy.  Make Samoa enroute if water is required.  Proceed 100 miles east Nassau Island thence 60 miles east Christmas Island.  Instruct each ship in convoy to take positive  measures to scuttle if necessary to avoid capture.  Advise course and position when 300 miles from destination.
2) Message dated 1615 Local 10 Dec (0245z 11 Dec): CTF 15 to CTG 15.1: Return to Honolulu with convoy via route 100 miles east Christmas Island.  Advise position and course when 400 miles from destination.  Instruct convoy to take positive measures to scuttle if necessary to avoid capture.  All previous instructions cancelled.

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