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Topic: What did we know about the Attack, History what is the truth?< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
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Hi,

I have come to ask for recommendations on books to read regarding the US before the attack at Pearl Harbor.

I have had discussion recently with people who believe that the US military, the President etc, had a lot of warning about the attack.  I have always thought that we aren't completely sure how much the President knew or others in the military.  I had heard that the Japanese planes were seen on radar but mistakingly identified as friendly planes.

I am hoping all of the experts here can point me in the right direction for a balanced look at the facts.

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Great question, and one to which you'll no doubt receive a huge number of responses.

For what my two cents is worth, I would say that you should ignore the wackos who say that anyone knew in advance, and also avoid reading any books until after you have read the text of the Pearl Harbor Attack Hearings.  You'll be exposed to all the various information, the testimony, the various beliefs, and (more importantly) most of the facts in raw form.  By that I mean untwisted by revisionists and Kimmel appologists, and also unchanged or ignored by those who are entrenched in the more traditional views.

Basically, read the facts and make a decision based on fact rather than the words of those who mostly have aggendas.

If you wish to read something a little easier to start with, I would recommend "Day of Infamy" by Walter Lord or "December 7, 1941" by Prange, Goldstein and Dillon.  Both have a great many errors, but neither are so far off the mark as to do irreparable damage to the truth such as most (if not all) of the revisionist texts do.

That's my two cents, and good luck when wading through the mass of material out there!

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PostIcon Posted on: May 10 2001,11:28 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Thanks Ken, I appreciate the input.

I absolutely don't appreciate the revsionists view of history.  An aquaintance of mine who is Japanese, has especially been difficult.  She is insulting insisting that my education is lacking because I was instructed in an American school.  Insults don't help in an exchange of the facts.  She is angry about the movie Pearl Harbor.

As difficult as she is, I understand her loyalty to her nation, but it is Americans that I find under educated about the truth of the attack at Pearl Harbor.  I want facts that I have discovered through research to make my case.  I have done some reading but not enough to keep my facts completely straight.

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Penny,

I forgot to tell you that the Pearl Harbor Attack Hearings come in 39 volumes, and are no longer in print. I found copies at most college libraries though. Took me a month to read the silly thing. So grab your reading glasses!

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Thanks, I won't be posting for a while cause I will be at the library for several weeks!

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Thanks Ken

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Hi Ken and Penny,
The SOLE index of the "40" volume Congressional Investigation is, Pearl Harbor History Associates Director Stan Smith's INVESTIGATIOONS OF THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR: Index to Government Hearings [Westport, CT: Greenwood Press; 1990] ISBN 0-313-26884-3.

The Report of the Joint Committee is called "Part 40" when it really is accessioned by libraries somewhat differently...with a slightly different title.

You can now "cut to the chase" much easier with Stan's help!
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You might also look for part of the Hearings online at

www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha

8,000 pages of the Hearings currently there, more to come.

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Thanks, Ken, David and Larry, I will look into everything.

I appreciate your time and direction!

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Dear All,

   I know precious little about the attack on Pearl Harbor, but the upcoming movie has certainly generated my interest in the historical background to the attack and its aftermath.

   Regarding Mr. Hackler's suggestion to stay away from the accounts of "wackos" who believe the US government knew in advance of the plan to attack Pearl Harbor, I respectfully disagree.  I think everything is worth reading, and I also think a good overview might be beneficial before tackling a 39 volume set on the Pearl Harbor hearings.

  For my own part, I found an interesting report of an investigation by the Joint Committee on the Investigation of the Pearl Harbor Attack, dated 1946, which can be found at http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/congress/part_0.html#xiii

  I don't know if this is part of the 39 volume set referred to by Mr. Hackler, but it certainly makes for interesting reading.

  Of particular interest are the views of the Representative from Wisconsin, Frank B. Keefe, who goes to great pains to suggest culpability at the highest levels of our government.  Mr. Keefe's views can be found at: http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/congress/keefe.html

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Aloha John,
When you say you "know precious little about the attack on Pearl Harbor" then support the reading of the "wackos" [Hackler's term] agenda suggests that you had best get a firm foundation in "what really happened" and listen to those who have that firm foundation before the reading of the "wacko" press.

Yes, I have my own personal copy of PERPETUAL WAR FOR PERPETUAL PEACE, the bible of the "civilian" revisionists; All of the Gordon Prange books, the bible of the "Army revisionists"; AND I WAS THERE by Layton, and John Costello's books for the "Navy Revisionists"...they ALL have an agenda.

Your source citations are from the "civilian" revisionist camp which have tried to connect FDR with knowng select intelligence which came from code breaking after the fact. When the source citation was made this intelligence info was still classified, but ALL WWII info is declassified [except for "da Bomb"] so we have a huge amount of hindsight not privy to Frank B Keefe's position.

Remember to keep the "revisionists" quotes within the context of the whole and you will find the fiction. Yet, be set in a firm foundation of the events before tackling the whimsy.

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