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In regards to FDR's speech after the attack.  Did japan attack several Hawaiian Islands, and American ships on the high seas?

Also what about Hong Kong, Guam, Philippine, Wake, and Midway?

We got talking about this the other day and I would like to settle the discussion.  Although I can not seem to find any facts to back up these other supposed attacks?

Any input would be great!
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Hi OKie,
Are you sure you are not from Missouri, the "show me" state? ;-)

Oahu, Hawaii was attacked; SS Cynthia Olson was sunk on the high seas and the crew were machine gunned in the ocean...

and yes, all of the other cities and islands cited by FDR had been attacked prior to FDR's speech.

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One problem you will run into is that many people don't consider the international date line when talking about the start of the war for the US. Technically, all of these locations except Midway were attacked on December 8th, but in reality, due to the location of the International Date line they were all attacked on the same "day." Even though both Roosevelt's speech and the attacks happened on December 8th, nearly 24 hours separated them.

Hong Kong was attacked December 8th as well but as far as I know it was entirely British forces that were attacked there and FDR lumped it in with the overall Japanese behavior.

There were many attacks on the Philippine islands that day.
Clark Field was badly mauled. Although they'd had advanced warning Army Air Corps B-17's and fighters based there had recently landed for refueling and were caught on the ground by Japanese forces. Over half of the USAAC's aircraft are destroyed and American and Philippine operate the rest of the short struggle against the subsequent invasion without air support.

Wake was attacked within hours after Pearl (Just before noon Wake time) and was occupied by the Japanese on December 23, 1941 (An earlier invasion attampt was replused)
Wake Survivor on MSNBC.

Midway was shelled late that night by two destroyers.
Narrative by Lieutenant Colonel Jean H. Buckner USMC on Midway December 7th 1941.

Guam was bombed by land-based aircraft that day but more than that I don't know. Guam was stormed without much resistance on December 10th, although they held out for over 8 hours the 10-1 odds against the US Marines and Navy sailors really didn't give them much chance.

Nothing very significant happened to the rest of the Hawaiian islands that day. A scout plane had overflown Maui early in the morning looking for Navy ships at Lahaina and found none. A damaged Zero from the carrier Hiryu crash landed on the small island of Niihau. You can read details of that here. The city of Kahului, Maui was shelled on the 15th of December by a Japanese sub, but this was obviously after FDR's speech.

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Thanks for the help guys!
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:) I still have a lot to learn about World War II.  It still amazes me what I've yet to learn, and what others still don't know.  Keep researching.....I couldn't find anything on DooLittles Mission, but with the help of these folks, I found all of the information I can handle. :D Keep on keeping on and studying..... :D
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