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RE http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/page4.gif

I was wondering if anybody has an information that would proof or disprove that 2 divisions of submarines were sent to the Orient before December 7th 1941?

I can prove the other 7 but not that one.

A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of
     British bases in the Pacific, particularly
     Singapore.
ADB Conversations
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/pt_14/x15-050.html

Shows intimate cooperation

http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j29/herman.htm
37] Letter from R.G. Casey to R.G. Menzies, 14 October 1940, DAFP, Vol IV, document 173, p 221. Casey however reported the willingness of Roosevelt, after his re-election was secured, to send a small cruiser force to the south-west Pacific, including the Netherlands East Indies and Singapore.



  B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of
     base facilities and acquisition of supplies
     in the Dutch East Indies.

ADB Conversations
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/pha/pt_14/x15-050.html

Shows intimate cooperation

  C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese government
     of Chiang-Kai-Shek.

http://www.ww2pacific.com/lendlease.html

30Nov40. Sat. United States lends [pre-lend-lease] $50 million to China for currency stabilization and grants an additional $50 million credit for purchase of supplies.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay....117.htm
Though lend-lease had been authorized primarily to aid Great Britain, it was extended to China in April 1941
  D. Send a division of long range heavy cruisers to
     the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore.
http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j29/herman.htm
37] Letter from R.G. Casey to R.G. Menzies, 14 October 1940, DAFP, Vol IV, document 173, p 221. Casey however reported the willingness of Roosevelt, after his re-election was secured, to send a small cruiser force to the south-west Pacific, including the Netherlands East Indies and Singapore.

  E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.

No information on this one

  F. Keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in
     the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.
No argument here
  G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese
     demands for undue economic concessions,
     particularly oil.
No Argument here
  H. Completely embargo all U.S. trade with Japan,
     in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed
     by the British Empire.
No argument here

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While it is interesting to speculate on which of the actions McCollum mentioned in his memo eventually came into being, the more important fact is that it went no further than Captain Kirk according to his endorsement or rather the lack of any forwarding endorsement. He merely sent the memo back to McCollum.

As old Navy hands will recall, such memo's would have contained a forwarding endorsement with a recommendation or comment if it were sent on up the chain of command. The lack of such endorsement plus Kirk's comments back to McCollum show it went no further.

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Two divisions of submarines were transfered from Pearl Harbor to Manila in October, 1941. The submarine were assigned to SUBDIV 15: SALMON, SEAL, SKIPJACK, SARGO, SAURY, SPEARFISH; SUBDIV 16: SNAPPER, STINGRAY, STURGEON, SCULPIN, SAILFISH, SWORDFISH. This information comes from page 82 in Clay Blair's "Silent Victory".  Hope this helps.
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Thanks for this information.

I now realise it was in my newspapers all along.

Dec 1 Sydney morning herald

"US PREPARATIONS

The United states is obviously preparing for the worse in the Far East

Transports are continually arriving at Manila, discharging reinforcements and equipment.   Today the combined US and Filipino forces under armes were estimated at 125,000, the largest  American army ever assembled in the Far East.

The US Asiatic fleet has been strongly reinforced, chiefly by submarines. Heavy cruisers are convoying transports into Manila and several aircraft carriers are based in the vincinity."

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