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Stephany,I detect more than a passing interest in your curiosity. The difference between this website and other PH-related sites, is this one always struggles for "the truth". Not an easy task, when some are caught up in hidden agendas or the "rumor of the week".

Studying the Pearl Harbor attack and its aftermath is great logical excercise for more recent "investigations" (9/11 comes to mind). Example:Both 9/11 and PH involved people who "lied". Sluths sieze upon these deceits and conclude sinister conspiracy, when it's more often simple hubris. Did people lie to cover their own sloppy work? Were they protecting their superiors or underlings? Or were they hiding the darkest, evil conspiracy known in modern history? One could run in any direction, armed with a tiny piece of "truth".

I don't seek to take anything away from our brave, aging WW2 Navy Vets, but human nature being what is is, one must always be willing to change our opinions. Especially when confronted with logic and cold investigation. The stories of "tapping" heard and people who "knew" the boys in the pump room were alive are suspect. Rumors and fact are often difficult to separate.

For a story of what rumors and fear can do to scared Soldiers and Sailors, read my story of the "Battle Of Honolulu" http://www.cinemenium.com/pearlharbor/event/phrarticle03.php

Enjoy your new-found consuming interest in Pearl Harbor history. But remember that this knowledge is nothing more than useless trivia, unless applied to your world views today.

History is not just "what happened". It's what happened within the context of "what might have happened".

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Thanks Roger,

The article and site are great!!! You are to be commended on your courage to write unvarnished truth.

I was an Air Force wife for the last five years of Viet Nam, spent three years as a dispatcher for the Sheriff's Office, went on to become a paramedic, for the last six years I have been a Navy Submariners' mom. With that kind of background I knew I was finding a lot of frosting but I didn't know where to find the cake.

You are correct in saying this is not a passing fancy for me. My husband's uncle and my cousin are entombed on the Arizona. I keep looking for info on them. I have a deep bond with her I can't explain. She seems to be part of me and it has been there since I was a child, long before I found out about the relatives. My only thought is that maybe there is more to bloodlines than we know about. I thought that after I visited her when my son was stationed at Subbase-Hawaii it would ease off but it has only intensified. Now it is not just the Arizona but all of Pearl Harbor. If anyone knows what this unexplainable bond is let me know.

I have discovered a paradox between the men and the machines they serve on. Each sub has a personality of its own and they are discussed and treated as a living entity. A symbiotic relationship developes much like a close knit family. Other subs and crews emotionaly become your brothers and sisters and there is a sibling rivalry between the Sub Force and the Surface Fleet, but it is still family. Was it like this back in that era?

I really appreciate all of the information and guidance I have received from this web site. It has sure been a breath of fresh air. I've now started reading "At Dawn We Slept by Gordon W. Prange." So far very informative.

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Stephany,

Feel free to list the names of your relitives and maybe we can give you a little more insight into what they did aboard ARIZONA,   Or, maybe you already have that info and would like to tell us.   We'd love to hear.

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I can attest to the unexplainable bond as well. When I was a kid there was just something about the Arizona that I loved. Not even the history, just her look and lines. My wife knows that every time we go to Oahu, no matter how many times I"ve been there, I need at least one day to pay my respects.

Brian can also attest; he's spent many more years studying her than I and has even been lucky enough to dive on her.

If you're looking for good books on Arizona I would suggest "Battleship Arizona" by Paul Stillwell and The USS Arizona by Delgado, Jasper, and Adams if you don't already have them.

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Thanks To All of You!!!
    You have made this lady feel like she has come home. I was begining to feel like a nut case or at the very least, just a little wierd. What a relief to find out I'm not crazy.

  Trying to find information for the relatives aside from: name, rank, class, and home state has been extremely hard. Any information is appreciated. The letter to ask for military records( That I just found out about, Thanks to you guys) is on my bookmark list. the relatives are:
USN-S2c Wiley Coy Goff--Oklahoma--my cousin
USN-SK1c James Gernie Myers--Missouri--my husbands uncle
 
  The books have been added to my growing list of reading material and I have not been able to access the link to the TV
documentary but I'm still trying other ways on that one.

Thanks Again You Knights In Shining Armour

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Brian,
  You lucky sea dog! While the rest of us are up top, longingly gazing down into the water at our beloved lady, and throwing flowers. You had the time of your life, and got to really check her out. Now I have to go and repent for all of this envy I just accquired.

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Stephany, Brian, and Tracy, I'm pleased there are others who "commune" with the past. It's hard to explain, but there is an almost zen-like feeling tha comes over me when at certan historical sites. You all seem to have it too.

I've never been to Pearl Harbor, but know I'd cry like a baby at the Arizona. I'd probably end up catotonic, but strangely at peace. This is maybe the best explanation of this feeling. I know I felt it walking into the Hoosac train tunnel in western Mass. It took over 20 years and many tragedies to complete it in the mid-1800s.

I felt it in spades looking at the wreckage of the WTC three weeks after 9/11.

Some civil war battlefields will do it to me too. Gettysburg is at the top.

People who have the "history bug" will understand this process, others chalk it up to mental illness. I have no doubt you three all know what I'm talking about, since Pearl Harbor history is a passion for us all.

Stephany, the books available about PH are numerous. Many fall into the "FDR knew" and "didn't know" catagory. Some like Thurston Clarke's "Pearl Harbor Ghosts"seem to tap into the sublime communication described above. Read 'em all! But in the end you will discover your own conclusions, and I'm willing to bet they have little to do with Commanders and Politicians and everything to do wth those thousands of anonymous souls who forever reside in that beautiful, tragic place.

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Hi Roger,
  Maybe not at the Arizona it has more of a deep respect feel to it; but if you visit Hawaii, the Courts of the Missing at Punch Bowl are like what you are talking about so take lots of Kleenex. I wish I could have seen it before they changed the headstones from the white crosses to the ground level ones. The pictures I have seen are stunning.

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Aloha All,
It is wonderful that a host of the headstones are being changed to conform to:
UNKNOWN
KIA 7 Dec 1941
Ship name/place name

AND that several graves are being disinterred for DNA comparison!
Yea! All of our collective efforts are finally having effect!

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Hi David,

I have been keeping tabs on that one. From a family point of view you have my undying gratitude. It has been a long hard battle.

When I was there, I needed something, somewhere, with a little more substance than a name on a wall to pay respect to my family members. The lost in space feeling was horrible, everthing was so broad and I needed to narrow it down, to feel closer and bring more closure.

I now have the option of choosing my loved ones final resting places, knowing I at least have shipmates if not my family members. I can have a specific place to go too, place flowers, with a headstones that says," Unknown KIA-7 Dec. 1941- USS Arizona," and mourn our loss quietly alone. Families need that kind of closure.

With tears and from the bottom of my heart, I say." Thank You."

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