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What would you have done had you known the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor?

Would you have engaged them out at sea?  Would you have waited until they got closer or what?

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 18 2001,5:17 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Tough question.

How soon do you know they're coming?  Kimmel said with two hours notice he would have sortied the fleet.  He's an admiral, I'm not, but I wouldn't take the fleet out to meet Kido Butai.  Ballard would be looking for the whole Pacific Fleet today.

If the radar sighting was the first warning you only have an hour.  In that hour the Navy would man all the guns, fire up the boilers, set water-tight integrity and disperse the planes at the airfields.   Get a line of destroyers 100 yards east of Battleship Row to nulify torpedo attacks and let fly at anything that's in the air over the harbor.  Notify the Army that the area is a "you-fly, you-die" zone.

The Army gets ammo out to all guns and gets them manned.  

Elliott and Lockard have been relieved by now, and they're back at Fighter Informatin Center giving info on their sighting.  This info goes to Com14th and Enterprise and Lexington team up and move to intercept.

IF the fleet is out to sea, Japan hits targets of opportunity, which means the infrastructure for our submarine war is seriously damaged.  

AND Arizona is in Tokyo Bay for the surrender cerimonies.

(Edited by Larry Jewell at 8:21 pm on July 1, 2001)

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I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS EASY..TO LAUNCH A MASSIVE AIR ATTCK AGAINST JAPANESE CARRIERS BEFORE THEY LAUNCHED THEIR PLANES AND DESTROY THEM..BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN BATTLE OF MIDWAY..IF THE JAPANESE
WERE DISCOVERED  EARLY THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN DEEP TROUBLE, SHIPS COULD HAVE BEEN FULLY PREPARED AN LAUNCHED TO SEA

(Edited by Larry Jewell at 6:03 am on June 20, 2001)

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I would be worried in sending two USN carriers against six IJN carriers.  Especially with the complete lack of combat experience we had at the time.  Air support from Hawaii wouldn't have been much good, there were only six flyable B-17s on Hawaii before the attack.  The ones coming in from the States had no ammo or bombs.

A lost here would mean no Halsey.  As has been said elsewhere, "nobody's irreplacable, but some are priceless."

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PostIcon Posted on: Jun. 20 2001,4:40 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

300 us planes were destroyed or damged during raid on pearl harbor..what were doing on the island with no torpedoes or bombs !!! a land based attack on carriers could have been disasterous for the Japanese.
imagine few dozen us planes appearing over Japanese carriers with their surface covered with planes fuel..bombs ..torpedoes to would been alike a dynamite waiting to ignite...the Japanese relied on suprise for the operation to be succesful ..had a even few planes gone and meet them at sea to let them know they were spoted they might have turned back

(Edited by Larry Jewell at 5:36 am on June 21, 2001)

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First, please do not use epithets or slurs.  We want a board that respects people, and not one that is just a repeat of the flame war so common on the Internet.

As for the planes, most were fighters and patrol planes.  The Army did not allow its pilots to travel more than fifteen miles from land on a routine basis.  Obviously the bombers that flew in from the mainland traveled farther, but one of their goals in Hawaii was to learn over-the-water navigation.

A land-based attack on the Striking Force would have been less successful than that launched during the battle of Midway (which scored zero hits on enemy ships) because we only had six functional B-17s on the island.

Finally, the Striking Force would not have turned back if they were spotted within 24 hours of Hawaii, they had specific orders to press home the attack if located by US forces during that time.  Any time between 24-72 hours before the attack and it would have been the commander's choice whether or not to proceed.

(Edited by Larry Jewell at 7:42 pm on June 20, 2001)

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ok 6am I know the attack will happen in the next two hours, but not from which direction, so :

1) Place all aircraft on full alert and move the majority to Ewa, Hickham and Bellows airfields fully loaded and ready for take off.  

2) All ships to go to general quarters and prepare for an aerial attack.  Battleships to prepare to make for open sea followed by cruisers.

3) UNS Enterprise approx 200 miles from Pearl to launch a couple of squadrans to search for IJN Fleet, Lexington at approx 400 miles away too far to offer support but to make best speed back for Pearl.

4) patrol aircraft to be sent on a spiral search of the area surrounding O'ahu Island starting towards Japan and working clockwise

7:55 am

5) Fighters launched to protect the harbor, Wheeler and Kaneohe airfields.  Also Scout aircraft to be launched for the purpose of following japanese aircraft back to home.

"Isn't hindsight grand"

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RE: "3)"

Let's not launch the Enterprise planes yet.  She's 200 miles west of Pearl, the IJN ships are 200 miles north of Pearl, that makes the hypotenuse of the triangle (okay, the straight line distance between them) over 300 miles.

If we know they're coming, but not from which direction we use the radar stations to get a bead on incoming flights.  This gives us the quadrant to search.  Enterprise steams northeast and launches a CAP and a series of scouting missions.  One of these reports "six carriers" before being shot out of the sky.  Halsey passes this info to Kimmel.  What's his call? He has an open phone line to Stark, who has Marshall and FDR in his office.  What do they say about the odds?

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Ok, I see the flaw here, however Enterprise still to head for pearl,
The main reason being fleet against fleet the Enterprise is outnumbered by 6 to 1 carriers with the japanese being able to launch almost five times the amount of aircraft approx 420.  The Enterprise could field 100 aircraft but it would have unloaded so many at Midway.  Also without recon to see how many vessels the jap fleet had any attack would be possible suicide.

IJN :
6 Aircraft Carriers
423 Aircraft
2 Battleships
3 Cruisers
? Submarines


USN :
1 Aircraft Carrier
90-100 Aircraft
3 Heavy Cruisers
9 Destroyers

Also all ships in Pearl to begin a smoke screen so as not to give the jap high level bombers an easy target.

I'm still thinking about possible solutions

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"I'm still thinking about possible solutions"

Enterprise hooks up with Lexington and delivers some payback.  Hit 'em at dawn on the 8th (Hawaii Time).  If Lexington is north of the Kido Butai at that time you're hitting them from two directions.  Lots of pilots and planes get used up, but maybe we get a carrier or two.  Having the carriers in different areas doubles the difficulty of finding them.  Don't forget, the Japanese had "lost" the USN carriers just as we had lost the IJN ships.

The only thing two hours gives us is the information that we should brace ourselves, and the ability to use the radar information that was received.  Two hours steaming time for the carriers was less than 50 miles.

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