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I got a bunch of Brits telling me the attack on Pearl Harbor was not an attack on the USA since Hawaii was not yet a State and wouldn't be for about 18 years. Was the attack on Pearl Habor fought on US soil or not?
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I just asked a historian. He said US territory IS US soil. Can I get anybody to agree with that?
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I'm not a Historian, but I think the question should be was the attack against the USA, not on the USA?  If it's against, in my opinion,the answer would be yes. All one needs to do is look at the number of our US Military killed and wounded, and of our ships and bases destroyed.

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But the question is does US territory equal US soil?
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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 11 2005,9:57 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

As far as the US is concerned attacks on US territory is an attack on the United States. Warships and embassys are considered Soverign territory of the US as well, even though they may not physically be in the US.

How do your brit friends feel about the Japanese attack on Singapore?

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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 11 2005,10:21 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Yes. United States territory is US soil. Remember that the attacks took place on US military installations.

Read this brief explination of what happened....



On 7 July 1898, US President McKinley signed the Newlands Resolution (named after Congressman Frances Newlands) which officially annexed Hawai‘i to the United States. A formal ceremony was held on the steps of ‘Iolani Palace where the Hawaiian flag was lowered and the American flag raised. Dole was appointed Hawai‘i's first territorial governor.

The Newlands Resolution said, "Whereas, the Government of the Republic of Hawai‘i having, in due form, signified its consent, in the manner provided by its constitution, to cede absolutely and without reserve to the United States of America, all rights of sovereignty of whatsoever kind in and over the Hawaiian Islands and their dependencies, and also to cede and transfer to the United States, the absolute fee and ownership of all public, Government, or Crown lands, public buildings or edifices, ports, harbors, military equipment, and all other public property of every kind and description belonging to the Government of the Hawaiian Islands, together with every right and appurtenance thereunto appertaining: Therefore, Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That said cession is accepted, ratified, and confirmed, and that the said Hawaiian Islands and their dependencies be, and they are hereby, annexed as a part of the territory of the United States and are subject to the sovereign dominion thereof, and that all and singular the property and rights hereinbefore mentioned are vested in the United States of America."


See where its states, "...cession is accepted.....and that the said Hawaiian Islands and their dependencies...are hereby annexed as a part of the territory of the United States"


Hope that helped clear up the question.

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Thank you so much for your help!
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We presently have a US Military Base inside the country of Cuba.  If that basde were to be attacked, would we not consider it an attack against a United States Military installation and thus our country.

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As an English historian , who has studied the British empire I would say that American territory does not equal American soil. After all for a long time India was considered British territory, but I doubt if anyone would say that India was British soil.
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...India was considered British territory, but I doubt if anyone would say that India was British soil.


This is a difference in how the US viewed its territories.  They were considered US soil.  

IIRC, the British also view Britons as British citizens, while people of the Commonwealth as British Subjects.  Citizens of US territories are also allowed to vote.

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