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Hi,

Where can I find answers to these questions?

1.  The number of torpedo hits on each ship.
2.  The number of bomb hits on each ship.

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Aloha Ed,
The number of HITs...hummm. We can establish a goodly portion of the damage, but exactly how many bombs caused each ship's damage may be a problem.

We know what the majority of types of ordnance each type aircraft carried. The hard part is to define exactly the number of hits.

The single torpedo hit on USS Nevada had a horrible result. While on other ships the multiple torpedo hits were not as effective, except they kept coming until the result was to the Japanese favor. Check into the detailed listing of torpedo hits and 'no runs' in the Military History, Dec 2001, article:
"Torpedoing Pearl Harbor"

As to each bomb, the topic is still being searched. What have you decyphered?
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Hi David,

Thank you for the link.  What a great article that is.  

I'm a little confused about the 2 torpedo planes that were shot down by Nevada's gunners (or neighboring ships).  I don't see them mentioned in the article.  As I understood it, 3 torpedo planes attacked Nevada simultaniously.  The plane to the aft was hit by fire from Nevada's .50 caliber AA mounts and knocked down before it dropped it's torpedo.  It crashed about 100 yards off the Nevada's port quarter. The middle plane suffered a direct hit on it's torpedo by the 5 inch gun mount on Nevada and was instantly blown to bits.  The third plane managed to get through and it's torpedo struck the Nevada's bow area, causing significant damage as you mentioned.

From what I understood and read elsewhere, Nevada took 6 (possibly as many as 10) bomb hits and the one torpedo hit.  Other ships, I don't know much about their hits/damage.  My Dad was aboard the Nevada, so my interest has been focused there.

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The plane to the aft was hit by fire from Nevada's .50 caliber AA mounts and knocked down before it dropped it's torpedo.  It crashed about 100 yards off the Nevada's port quarter. The middle plane suffered a direct hit on it's torpedo by the 5 inch gun mount on Nevada and was instantly blown to bits.  The third plane managed to get through and it's torpedo struck the Nevada's bow area, causing significant damage as you mentioned.

Aloha Ed,
The order of drops and hits, misses ae given correctly in the article. The order given in the source which you quote was written after the attack...days...and details are confused.
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Hi David,

Thanks for clarifying.

Have you ever read this quote before?

"'Materially' we were not prepared. I have talked to scores of former AA officers who were there, and not one of them made any claim whatsoever that the 3-inch and 5-inch anti-aircraft guns in the fleet ever hit a single aircraft, although thousands of rounds were fired. Why? The guns weren't worth a ####. This was not the fault of General Short (who had a total of six AA guns to protect the entire island of Oahu) or Admiral Kimmel. The fleet practiced and practiced with those guns. They stunk. They proved they couldn't hit anything despite 'Washington's' assurance that they could. Even the lousy 1.1-inch guns, which a couple of ships had, failed. What few planes the Japanese lost were hit by .50-caliber guns, and possibly one to a .30-caliber gun.” ... Joseph K. Taussig, Jr.  (Acting) Senior AA Officer, USS Nevada

JK Taussig Jr won the Navy Cross for his actions during the attack.  He eventually lost a leg from an injury that day.  I find it interesting that the report the Nevada's Captain sent in indicated a direct hit from a 5 inch shell hit on a torpedo plane, yet the Officer of the Deck (JK Taussig) later testifies that the Navy's guns were terrible.

I found this quote on the 'net long ago but lost my source. I'd like to see if it is legit.

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I think the claims made by any one ship as to ownership of a kill are a bit dubious due to the number of ships firing within the harbor. But I've read a couple accounts of a plane disintegrating due to a direct hit  from a large calibre weapon.... I do believe that someone somewhere hit a plane with a large shell.

Consider too that some of the high-level bombers had to make multiple passes due to the fire coming up at them. These weapons weren't as effective as they were later in the war, but they were far from worthless.


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Aloha Ed,
Nice of you to cite Joseph K. Taussig, Jr., (Acting) Senior AA Officer, USS Nevada...in Dec 1991, I had a nice supper with him...at a large table with several other veterans of that day. Fond memory to be that close to history.
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But I've read a couple accounts of a plane disintegrating due to a direct hit  from a large calibre weapon.... I do believe that someone somewhere hit a plane with a large shell.

Hi Tracy,

Maybe we're thinking about the same claim of a 5 inch gun taking down a plane on a direct hit?

Let's see if I can link this correctly, lol, USS Nevada Action Report  If you look at #4 under Offensive Measures Taken, you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Hi David,

Like it said earlier, I had that quote saved but I lost my link where I found it.

It sounds like you had an interesting dinner. :)

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Maybe we're thinking about the same claim of a 5 inch gun taking down a plane on a direct hit?


Don't think so. Maybe the same hit in one case, but not the same source.

USS Chew reports direct hit from 3" gun (she was moored near Nevada)

USS Patterson reports direct hit from 5" nount #2 (she was not that close to Nevada)


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