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Topic: Civilian deaths by shelling vs Japan, Casualty count: who, what, where, when< Next Oldest | Next Newest >
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With being disappointed,civilians were  sacrifice by the Japanese attack, too.
I believe ,Japanese attackers didn't aim at civilians.

Why,How many people became sacrifices.

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It seems that civilian casualties were caused mainly by US artillery shells that weren't set to go off properly.  The shells landed in civilian areas and cause some damage.

The "3rd Extra" of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin lists 31 dead at 4 pm.  Among them are an unknown Portugese girl, 10 years old; "Caucasian male", 35;  Frank Ohashi, 29; Migita Taro, 26; "Japanese girl", age 'about 9'; Mrs. M.D. White, 44; Toshi Tokusaki, 5; "Unidentified", 30 to 40; Patrick J. Chong, 30; Peter Lopez, 34; Bob Tyre, William Chong, Paul Inamine, Philip Eldred, Frank Oshiro, Ohahsi, Plama, Joe McCabe, Joseph Izumi, Migata Taro.

There are 60 injuries reported.

I'd like to point out that these injuries would not have happened if the attack had not been made.  The responsibility ulitmately rests with the party initiating the conflict.

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>I'd like to point out that these injuries would not have happened if the attack had not been made.  

You are right ,Mr.Larry Jewell.
There is no damage if Japan doesn't attack.

A certain person said.
Many Japanese American live in Hawaii.
Therefore, Japan didn't attack a city area.
But, I think it wrong.

Only,Japanese Navy was not a waste errand of the bomb.

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Aloha All,
Civilian deaths on 7 Dec 1941 is discussed at:

http://starbulletin.com/96/12/10/editorial/viewpoints.html

The AA shells hit at:
Iholena/Judd St
Nuuanu Ave
Fort St
Kineau St
McCully and King St.
Kukui St
Kamanaki St

Bomb and strafing deaths were at:
Ewa Plantation
Pearl City
Waipahu
Red Hill
Pier 31, Honolulu Harbor
Wahiawa
Dowsett Addition
John Rodgers (civilian) Field

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I always thought the TANEY docked in Honolulu harbor was the source for the dud AA shells. Pearl Harbor is just too far from where the shells landed.
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Rod,

Honolulu is not too far at all for the 3" and 5" AA rounds that fell back to earth. It is unfortunate, but a great many American AA rounds blanketed the entire area.

I have a Gunner's Mate friend who told me (in response to your question) that a 5" round has a range of about 10 miles, depending on the load. Honolulu is only 8 miles.

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PostIcon Posted on: Apr. 20 2001,12:39 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

I live on Oahu (Waipio Gentry) - Pearl Harbor is aways from Moilili (area in Honolulu proper) where I think the shells landed.  
These things happen unfortunately in war.
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The "Battle of Honolulu" isn't talked about much-for good reason. It was a night of confusion and terror.Early that morning, some un-fused aa shells were sent up and in some cases, fusing was useless against wave-top torpedo planes. An un-fused 5inch shell will explode on contact with a plane(or a house or a car).The panic in Honolulu when these shells hit was incredible. Many were fleeing to "the Heights", just as those residents(fearing paratroopers) were running to Honolulu. Two way traffic soon snarled forcing emergency vehicles onto sidewalks and yards. Some fearing fire, ran outside dragging their furniture. Others ran inside fearing shrapnel. No place seemed safe. Then there were the rumors as night fell:invasion.Aiea reservoir was poisoned,Paratroopers dropping on St. Louis Heights and Nuuano Valley. Many island radios recieved police bands. Rumors started by the military were passed to civilians who reported them to the police. Police broadcast it on their radios, allowing more civilians to hear the panic.
Grovers Mill N.J. after the "War of the Worlds" broadcast" has some idea of Honolulus suffering that night-except Oahu had more fire-power and blood.
sailors recently blasted into homelessness were given guns and dropped around the island. They saw"Japs everywhere". The "Japs" were often Army and Marine sentries thinking the same.Trees were shot at. Native Hawaians suddenly looked like paratroopers and worse yet many local Japanese knew no English, making all fair game that night.The true wonder is more weren't killed.
Let me add that if one has never been shot at, it's not understood that the focus of return fire is exclusively the target-not whats behind it. Given the confusion and inexperience, our serviceman should be forgiven. Battle-hardened veterans knew better. A "tin-can man" told me that after Leyte, he could check fusing, calculate aim, fire rapidly and wonder what was for dinner at the same time!
The night of dec.7-8 was a giant cluster-***.Members of the Syracuse chapter survivors have told me horrid stories of "captured" Japanese and their treatment. I don't want to get into that now. I shudder to think that they were merely gardeners in jump-suits.Understanding human nature goes a long way in explaining that night.The chaos was so total, the Japanese could have invaded easily.
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Aloha All,
To address the confusion of the Pearl Harbor attack is difficult. The roster of civilian deaths due to the attack given in that Honolulu Star-Bulletin article cited on 17 Apr 10:53 AM (above) is somewhat incomplete. It gives those directly killed by bombs, strafing or shells falling from the sky. It does not relate other deaths.

One case is that of James Lum Akana, a Hawaiian-Chinese, a native of Maui. He was 60 years old and a "bootblack" (shined shoes) on Hotel Street. He was on duty Monday night as a fire warden on Jack Lane near "The House in the Garden".

In the darkness near midnight, he saw two men walking and recognized them as neighbors. He said, "Hello, boys" raisng his hand and warden's stick. The two men, also Fire Warden's did not recognize him in his helmet and jacket and attacked him as a "parachutist" (the term "paratrooper" was not in the lexicon yet). Hits with a flashlight crushed his skull and he died an hour and a half later.

Mr Akana had six sons and three daughters, and several grandchildren.

I seek other stories in the Battle of St Louis Heights or Nuuanu Valley.
 

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Seriously Honolulu the night of Dec 7th would be an interesting little movie - real horror and paranoia.
Not a cartoon like Speilberg's 1941. I live in Hawaii and you always hear different stories about the attack on the navy base - but nothing about the stories you have related.
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