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Seems to me that alot of the Pearl Harbor items on the market these days are of questionable heritage.
 I hope that buyers do their homework before plunking down the dough.  Case in point: A letter up for sale postmarked Dec. 6 1941, USS Arizona. The sender is not on any crew list as a casualty or survivor.
I realize that there is a possibility of he being on the ship for whatever reason, visiting a friend, etc. but odds are he should be a cremember ( he uses the ships name in the return address ).

Fake postmark? Coincidence? I don't know, but it's enough to make me put my wallet back where it belongs.

I am wondering what the common items of misunderstanding are, and if anyone has a personal tale they would like to relate.

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William-

Where or where does one begin. I would almost guarentee that the one most misidentified items being sold as "authentic" would have to be the copies of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin from Dec. 7th.

Now this is a guess, but I would have to say that over the years hundreds of thousands if not millions copies of these papers have been reprodused and sold at museum shops and so forth.

During my last trip to Hawaii, while at the Arizona Memorial Visitors center, I sat ad watched at the book store as to how many people came out of there with a copy of this paper. 17 out of 20 people I counted bought one. The reason...they are cheep. Only a buck. Think of how many people go through that visitors center in a year, and if 85% of the people are buying a copy of this, these copies are all over the world.

Now Sally-Joe-Mike whoever takes one home as a souviner, and it gets placed in the back of a cabinet for a few years, and forgotten about. Years down the road it is found, and sold on a rummage sale to another individual, who holds onto it another few years, and sells it or gives it to a distant family member. Before long, no one knows where this has come from, and they think it is original. And in turn sells it as an original. Someone who doesn't know what an original "real" copy of this paper would probably end up shelling out quite a bit for this.

As I type this, there are fourteen copies of these being sold on Ebay. And only one states that it is a reprint.

Now talking about Ebay....currently (5-30) there are 2965 items related to Pearl Harbor being sold on there. This time last year there would have been maybe 600 at the most. Now the movie has something to do with this, but there are also so many individuals out there who are selling stuff they know not to be authentic. And they are selling it because they know there are individuals who will buy it. Buyer beware!

Guess I have preached long enough here. I just hate to see someone spend money foolishly on items that are either fake, or misrepresented to seem original.

My two cents worth.

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Chris,   You are correct about being careful on Ebay!!  Having said that, I have purchased multiple items on that site and must say that I am comfortable with 99% of my purchases......

Although no where near foolproof, their "rating" system helps (feedback) as well as my approach to setting up a dialogue and asking the "tough" questions before I dare bid.  Certainly I am not an expert, but I seem to have found some trustworthy folk on Ebay....much like this site...you seem to learn who you can "trust" and who you need to "take with a grain of salt".

That said, I have found my experiences here to be quite positive!!!  I sure hope most of us can continue to say that!

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Aloha All,
"Provenance" is the term used on the ANTIQUE ROAD SHOW...the documents to support the claim that the teacup was used by George Washington...

On eBay there is no "provenance" and no means of getting eBay to police accurate statements.

I have contacted sellers to correct their descriptions re: Pearl Harbor items, but gave up as there was too much coming on line.

A pair of goggles came on line "from the pilot shown on page 94 top in Stan Cohen's EAST WIND RAIN"...despite my showing the seller that his RIGHT lens and the LEFT lens on the photo's goggle matched...  the seller put that I suggested there was a problem, but the goggles went for over a thousand dollars anyway.

The Dec 3, 1991 Honolulu Advertiser printed a "replica" of what MIGHT have been printed in 1941 IF the presses had not failed...they used 1941 writing styles and 1941 type fonts...and photos released in 1942 and 1945 to illustrate the edition...  Occasionally, this has come up for sale on eBay as the REAL thing.

"Provenance"...can the person back up the claim with proofs? Even then, be aware of problems.
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Aloha All,
"Provenance"...proof of how the item is connected to history...can make or break a sale.

A Medical kit was auctioned recently...supposedly from a really mangled crashed Zero fighter from the Hawaiian Attack...mangled so badly that the pilot was dismembered...yet the kit was in near mint condition. The father had left a sheet of paper as "provenance" saying where the item was collected...

The kit [item 1150784167]  was offered on eBay at 贄 and sold for Ū,300!

Was the "provenance" the connection to history or the fact that the plane was broken apart so badly that the pilot had to be scooped into a gunny sack in pieces proof that the medical kit was not "Pearl Harbor". Who knows...

Research may help, but sometimes not...
the buyer must know more about the item or the history than even the seller... but may the buyer be wary... the egg may not be solid gold as advertised, yet at a well advertised auction the bidding could go high for anything.
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