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PostIcon Posted on: Aug. 12 2002,1:04  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

(Note: Originally posted by Ben Fox in the rumors section)

Ken,

Out of the hospital and resuming research, if I can sit up long enough.  You mentioned that you have a theory on the missing crew of Sub. B more likely than mine that they swam ashore and openned T-shirt and Yogurt shops on Waikiki.  Where do you think they went, and what is your opinion of the two bodies (one decapitated) found in the area of the Ward sinking?

Looking forward to your article in WW II Magazine on the subject.

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Ben,

Glad to hear you are home again !  Hope you are doing much better now.

As for the crew of Midget D (found in 1960 a mile or so from the channel entrance), that's a long explanation, with several possibilities.  Without going into long and boring details, I think they drowned when they left the boat, and their bodies were lost at sea.

The thought that a Japanese sailor or soldier would arrive on Oahu and NOT seek out a fight in December 1941 is so contrary to their training and frame of mind that I cannot accept it.  Look at the few pilots who were alive after their planes crashed.... one was shot in Middle Loch because he refused to give up and reached for a pistol.  Another made it to shore near Ewa Lighthouse only to be shot by a soldier while evading capture.

Kazuo Sakamaki (MIdget C) was only captured alive because he was so dazed and confused after being knocked unconcious three times. He may not even have realized he was being captured until it was too late. When he did become alert enough to see what happened, the first thing he did was ask to be shot.

No, I will not accept the theory that any Japanese sailor would live quietly on Oahu while there was a war on and his country was fighting.  It is too much against the grain.

As for the Ward bodies found a week after the attack, I think they came from a Val that was shot down off the channel entrance, and not from Midget D. The reason is partly the clothing, and partly the injuries. They were wearing what most described as either light-colored or tan-colored "pajamas" or "coveralls." That sounds a lot more like a flight suit than what the midget crewmen wore. Also, one was missing a head, and the other an arm. Those injuries are far more consistent with a violent airplane crash than escaping from a submarine, even one that had been depth charged.

For what it is worth, I think the Midget D crew got out before she was depth charged, and they probably left because the boat had some type of mechanical problem and sank.

There was not a lot of external damage due to the depth charging she received, but the internal damage was severe enough that I'd have to question whether or not either crewman could have survived a free ascent of 70 or 80 feet after undoubtedly receiving serious injuries if they'd been in the boat when the depth charges were dropped.  I think they got out in the darkness before the attack (not later on) and drowned in the process. The sunken (and therefore silent) boat was depth charged as a magnetic contact later on.  By the way, there is no way to know if the boat was damaged by depth charges on December 7 or later, since a lot of ships dropped a lot of depth charges on anything (real or imagined) for months after the Japanese attack.

There is no obvious external damage to the hull, so the depth charges were close, but not too close.

That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

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