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PostIcon Posted on: May 11 2001,3:34  Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Sorry! the link should work now.
If it doesn't load when you first open it, hit your refresh button.

It's tough to tell which way the wind was blowing.
the flag on the Nevada is blowing the opposite way the smoke out at the army airfield is blowing.

The map at:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h83000/h83108.jpg
shows the prevailing wind blowing West by southwest
the flag on the Nevada is blowing Northeast or almost directly into the prevailing wind.
This just shows the winds were gusting around the harbor that day
Out in the harbor away from the ships I would expect the wind to blow true. and in that case the rooster tails would blow almost exactly along the line of torpedo 4
So I suspect torpedo 4 made the rooster tails. If you move them to the left they would line up with the trail of the torpedo that caused the explosion ripples, So it couldn't have generated the rooster tails.

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Nevada's flag is blowing true, and in the same direction as the smoke that morning. Look at the other attack photos and you will see. The wind was blowing WSW most of the morning.

Nevada's flag indicates the direction of the wind in the harbor, and it is the same direction that the rooster tails moved. They moved to the right, with the wind, and away from the torpedo wake.

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Matt,

I tried your link again but can't get it to open.  Perhaps it is just my slow internet connection, but I was wondering if you could check it again?  Thanks.

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Matt,

I finally got the page to open that you gave a link for.

You missed a few of the torpedo wakes in your rendering.  How about if I put a drawing online for you?  I'll work on that this evening.

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Great! I would love to see a picture.
I understand they found an unexploded, air dropped torpedo a while ago, where was it found, could they tell which ship it had been aimed at?
By the way, If you visit the Pearl Harbor movie page  and get through all the fluff, in the photo section, they have blueprints of the tails of japanese torpedos showing the extra fins used to keep them from going deep as the were dropped in the harbor.
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Aloha Matt,
As to the torpedo recovered on 2 May 1991, under Tennessee - West Virginia forum, check out the text at "That Photo Again" 27 April 7:27AM posting.
HTH,

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Wow, I'm glad you guys are so in-depth about the midget subs, because I had always heard of the picture with what appeared to be one of them firing torpedoes.  Thanks a TON.  You have no idea how much this has cleared up.
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Ken,

Interesting read on the mini-submarine. áI don't know if you saw it, but we posted an essay on 7 Dec. 1999 over at Warships1.com's Tech Board which also debunked that Naval History article.

I'm new to this board, I was really just looking around for additional information on St. Louis's sub contact since that seems to be the "missing" one in both the NavHist article and the June issue of National Geographic as neither article mentions that submarine at all. áI see that you cover that particular one quite well in your post on this subject.

You mention Walter Lord's book.  In his book, there's another good picture, possibly taken by the same Japanese aircraft that took the one "showing" the mini-submarine, that is a direct overhead view of Battleship Row after the attack began but before Arizona was destroyed. áI call this to your attention as it seems to be obvious from this photograph that under water visibility was poor, even from directly overhead, which would imply that you couldn't see the mini-submarine from this viewpoint, let alone from a large angle as in the photograph used by NavHist article's authors.

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My apologies, but I just noticed that this board prefers the use of proper names.  I'm Tony DiGiulian, I will delete my current profile for this board and create a new one using my full name.  I'm so used to using just "Tony D" over at our own message boards that I just naturally use it everywhere else.

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Tony,

I took the liberty of moving your post about the St Louis and Midget E to a new topic of its own, since it seemed to be a good idea at the time.  I may as well make a new topic line on each of the five midgets, and we'll just use this as the first example!

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