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Flipping thru the tv channels last night I came across the '80s movie "The Final Countdown". For those of you who have not seen it, a quick plot rundown. A modern day aircraft carrier caught in some type of storm is taken back to a few days before the attack on Pearl Harbor (ala Back to the Future). The officers wrestle with the question, "Should we or shouldn't we do something to prevent the attack?". They decide they should. But before their preemptive strike comes to pass,voila, the same storm catches them and returns them to their proper place in modern day history.  
The question ,of course, is "What would YOU do if you were in that position?". Knowing what is known today to change history, and possibly the present, perhaps better, perhaps worse. Or let the past be the past,and events to unfold as they did? And to possibly be a witness to the most profound event in the 20th century?  
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I would not hestitate to save the lives of the GIs.  The effect on US participation in the war would have been beneficial and I can see no "down side" to prevent the attack.  Have you thought of one?

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My thoughts are mainly in the realm of..suppose someone who was killed, survives, and instead of so and so meeting their mate, the survivor does instead. Entire family lineages would be altered,not to mention subsequent events. Would some of us here today actually then be here? I would imagine the list of "what ifs?" would be endless. However just knowing that the world we know of today would perhaps be, as I mentioned, better or worse,would we take the initiative to change history.
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PostIcon Posted on: Dec. 09 2001,7:37 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

A warning would possibly change the future and probably save American lives.  No brainer.  I would have no reason to presume that the "new" future would be any bette or worse than this one.
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PostIcon Posted on: Dec. 10 2001,12:29 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Aloha All,
Like unto the marriage vows...to interfere with history...

"What God has joined together, let no man put asunder"

HTH,

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PostIcon Posted on: Dec. 10 2001,1:15 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

It's only history after it happens.  If Steve Beamer and his fellow pax hadn't "rolled" we could have had a big hole in Pennsylvania Ave.  (Everyone who's ready to post "Yeah!" just cool it, please.)

Only positive evidence of negative results would have prevented me from doing what I could to prevent or reduce the carnage.  If I knew history would be worse after my actions I would not do it.  If I didn't know how history would be I would.  I could do nothing else.

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Greetings to all,
One premise that WAS covered in the film was that the NIMITZ was a U.S. Navy ship, no matter what the "place in time" was, and therefore bound to defend our national interests.  So, as a retired military type person, I would say d***n the changes that would happen in the "future history" and "All hands, man your battle stations - standby to launch aircraft".

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"...the NIMITZ was a U.S. Navy ship..."

Don't you mean would be? :mischievous:

This conversation reminds me of a Robert Heinlein story about a guy who was his own father ... AND mother.  

Back to the decision-making part.  I was once one of nearly a hundred volunteers scouring the so-called forest ("Angeles National Forest") north of LA looking for a young lady who had wandered away from her parents' camp site.  We had two adults die while looking for the kid, but nobody gave up on the search, because it was the right thing to do.  When lives need us NOW, we respond NOW.

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You guys make some valid points. However I seem to find a difference between helping someone now as opposed to helping then. We can all make things happen or decide events now without thought of repercussions of the future,because it hasn't happened yet. But to be put in a position to change the last 60 years of history would somehow be quite humbling to me.
This would apply to any past historical event. Uncovering Gen. Jacksons flanking move at Chancellorsville, diverting the Titanics' course, or even stepping in front of JFKs limo in Dallas. Wouldn't the realization that the life and world as we knew it would instantly cease to exist,and to be replaced by a world that perhaps wouldn't contain the people we know as family, friends, neighbors, etc, etc, or even we ourselves would be missing?
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If you never existed, would you notice?  As before, if one future can be shown to be superior to another then that's the course I would take, not worrying about "means" and "ends".  However, I can't see that one future is definitely superior just because I'm in it (some would argue the reverse as superior).
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