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As we all know there are numerous works written about the attack, the investigations and the blame. However there remains only a few on the aftermath, and the repairing of the fleet post Dec. 7th. Retired Vice Adm. Homer Wallin's "Pearl Harbor: Why, How, Fleet Salvage and Final Appraisal" is a classic. Printed in 1968, it does a good job in getting to the nuts and bolts of the clean up and repair of the major vessels. But if you want to get a more personal view of the salvage, I suggest "Descent into Darkness" by Comdr. Edward Raymer USN (Ret.)

I'll admit, its probably not written with a whole lot of "flair", but the first time I read it, I couldn't put it down until I was finished. Simply because it was a new angle that had never been written from before. Raymer describes how he and fellow divers were on board a plane and heading from California to Hawaii by nightfall on the 7th, and was not allowed even to tell his parents and loved ones where he was going.

In this work he describes in somewhat details the task of entering the Nevada, Utah, Arizona, California, West Virginia, and my favorite, the Oklahoma, and working in these ships in total darkness. In compartments filled with oil and muck, so thick that the only way to get around was to feel your way.

Raymer also doesn't skip over the details on how some of his fellow divers died while performing these duties, as well as descriptions on coming across the deceased two, three four weeks after the attack. Whose corpse had started to decay already. Graphic, yet real.

Reading this book gave me a new angle to view the salvage from. It wasn't just taking the ships, putting them in Dry-Dock, putting a patch over the holes, and sending them out to sea again. It took hundreds of hours of diving in the interior of these ships to clear debris, and preparing each one to make its way to the next stage of repair.

I'm not sure if its ever had a second printing. First edition came out in 1996 by Presidio Press of Novato, CA. Uppon reading it first off, I did see some errors, and such, that I brought to their attention, but I still am waiting to seem them do something about it.

Overall I would suggest reading it to get a sense of what it was like to have to be the one to enter the flooded compartments not knowing if behind this door were dead sailors or a pocket of air.

What does anyone else think about it...if anyone else has read it? I have never seen this book mentioned in a Pearl forum before.

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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 11 2001,11:45 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

I agree, Chris!  An EXCELLENT READ!

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I've been speaking with the publisher about the author of "Descent into Darkness" (for other reasons) and can tell you that they will likely not do more with the book.  The author, CDR Edward Raymer, has passed away.

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Well, on the strength of your comments here, I've ordered Descent into Darkness. Don't know just how soon I'll get it started. Have a couple of books ahead of it to get to.

Anyway, Ken, I noticed in looking at Barnes & Noble on-line, that they are showing a paperback version of Descent into Darkness available in May 2001. Seems like they are planning that to hit the bookstores to coincide with the opening of the Pearl Harbor movie.

But then I may not fully understand what you mean by "doing more with the book." :)

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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 13 2001,3:40 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Hi Jan,
Ken seems to mean..."they will likely not do more with the book: as the author, CDR Edward Raymer, has passed away." Can't expand on a topic if the source is gone.
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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 13 2001,4:23 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Thanks, David.

I was hoping that it didn't mean they wouldn't reprint the book. :) And that's obviously not the case if it's coming out in paperback in May.

(Edited by Jan at 4:27 pm on Mar. 13, 2001)

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PostIcon Posted on: Mar. 13 2001,6:49 Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Another American Hero....gone! :(

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Hi guys! Sorry about the confusion. Yes -  I meant that although there will be reprints in various forms, there will be no new information or an expanded version.

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I hate to rain on peoples parade,  but after talking to three Pearl Harbor survivors, they say that Raymer didn't have the slightest idea of what he was writing about.  One of these men knew Raymer personally as a salvage worker at Pearl Harbor.  Another offered to give his copy of Descent to me because he "didn't want it around"  I have not read the book myself.
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John-

I am curious as to what the three survivors had to say about Raymer. Especially the one who knoew him personally as a salvage worker. Was there anything they shared with you that you could share with us on here?

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