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Have there been any newspaper/publication reviews written on this book? Thanks.

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I'm very excited!  I was just able to order <i> Descent into Darkness </i>  from Amazon.com.

Can you tell me whether or not <i> At Dawn We Slept <i/> is a book claiming that Roosevelt knew about the attack and allowed it?   I have Prange's work on <i> Midway </i> and was much impressed with it.   I've never given much credence to the conspiracy claim and don't particularly want a book that adhere's to it.

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Quote (Jon Burdett @ May 30 2001,00:33)
I hate to rain on peoples parade,  but after talking to three Pearl Harbor survivors, they say that Raymer didn't have the slightest idea of what he was writing about.  One of these men knew Raymer personally as a salvage worker at Pearl Harbor.  Another offered to give his copy of Descent to me because he "didn't want it around"  I have not read the book myself.
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The Raymer book is no good?

This I have to hear, as I found it riveting.


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Hi all,

This is quite a late reply to a question posed to me in regard to Raymer's book...

The "survivor" I talked to was a man by the name of Walker...he was actually attached to the USS HELENA CL-50, but was in San Diego training as a diver at the time of attack. (So by the standard he is NOT a survivor).  He stated that Raymer was more of a "go do this" type rather than an actual hands on type.  He is the one who didn't want the book around...possibly a senior officer resentment comment

The other was a man by the name of Ritchie, with whom I spent quite a bit of time with.  He stated that he was a civilian dock worker during the attack, working at Dry Dock #2 post attack, mucking out the mud and debris once the DOWNES, CASSIN, and PENNSYLVANIA were moved.  He stated that later he was recruited as a diver and dove the ARIZONA wreckage for specific items the Navy wanted returned...Namely the Officer's Silver Service.  He gave me copies of some photos that were taken of him during recovery dives, and salvage photos...he dove the ARIZONA for 18 months on 3-4 hour dives. His thoughts on Raymer was he wrote of what others had done. I still have not read the book personally.
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Having read the book, the best description I can make of it is a collection of anecdotes.   For example, Mr. Raymer tells of diving ARIZONA to locate a dud bomb in the main machine shop.   He even details out the route he supposedly took.   Problem is that the dud bomb was found on WEST VIRGINIA, not ARIZONA, and the route described does not match either.
Additionally, He claimed that a 10' by 10' hole was cut in ARIZONA's quarterdeck, just forward of turret 3 to facilitate the removal of ammunition . . .   Sorry, that hole just ain't there.
Now it just may well be that he got some of his facts crossed, what with the passage of time.   I found similar issues in my own writing, trying to recall things on my dives on ARIZONA, and those were in the 1980's.   But in my case, I have not published my writings yet, and will not until I'm sure that they are correct.
Thus, though I found the stories well told, one must not take the book for absolute fact.
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Still think that Madsen's book, Resurrection, Salvaging the Battle Fleet at Pearl Harbor, is the best account by far of the post-attack atmosphere and the salvage effort.
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Hmm.

So I'd best be careful in using Raymer's book as an accurate source of events in the salvage.

Yeah, I'd like a copy of 'Resurrection,' but $34.95 is pretty hefty for me.


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Well Chris, If you liked DESCENT INTO DARKNESS, You will enjoy IN REPOSE. Set in a slightly more modern timeframe (1980's), It allows the reader to swim along on several dives on ARIZONA, permitting them to "see" the damage and present conditions around the wreck. The book also details a number of technical points about naval engineering that explain the cause and effects of the magazine explosion on various parts and systems inside the hull. Written for the historian and the layperson as well, I hope you enjoy the read.
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Well Chris, If you liked DESCENT INTO DARKNESS, You will enjoy IN REPOSE. Set in a slightly more modern timeframe (1980's), It allows the reader to swim along on several dives on ARIZONA, permitting them to "see" the damage and present conditions around the wreck. The book also details a number of technical points about naval engineering that explain the cause and effects of the magazine explosion on various parts and systems inside the hull. Written for the historian and the layperson as well, I hope you enjoy the read.
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